1) The Flames don't need solid goaltending right now. They will need it in 2+ years.
2) Markstrom has been incredibly inconsistent season to season and you could be begging to give him away this time year season.
3) Markstrom isn't part of the future and the Flames should be looking to maximize his value in a trade return.
4) I think his value will only get lower after the deadline. Yes, the Flames could have more suitors in the off-season, but so will New Jersey.
Okey, I'm seeing this a little bit different. I don't necessarily think Calgary is in tank mode. They are still a competitive team, and they think they can win. That's not a bad environment to inject promising young players. I agree with the plan of selling of UFAs for futures, but they still have good players that want to win.
And I really don't agree of his apparent inconsistency. Last year, was an outlier. This years performs is more indicative of what he has done throughout his career.
I’d thank this 20x if I could lol. Not going to lie that half the reason I want them to trade Markstrom now is because it will be the first trade I remember where they proactively moved an asset.
I wanted a few of the UFAs moved last deadline and they stood pat even though the team was a mess.
How people can judge when Markstrom should be traded without knowing what's on the table from Jersey right now is beyond me.
How can anyone say that?
The Flames need to go .725 to get in. It wouldn't take a Black–Scholes model in house to determine they're not going to make the playoffs.
Conroy has set a bar and he feels they should wait it out. Guessing through his 5 trades he has 2-3 stories where that worked and another 2-3 where he had to move.
They also must feel the risk of saying no to the current Jersey offer vs the summer is worth it, or they'd take the Jersey offer.
Maybe the plan is to take the Jersey offer at noon today?
Maybe Jersey is no longer interested.
Can't imagine judging the decision making of someone that actually knows what's going on with next to zero information themselves.
I don't see anyone claiming they know anything - we're all discussing the variables that you've listed here (because they're all variables)
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It's rather similar to the Sharks in terms of contract duration for older players.
The Sharks, despite having rebuilt for a while, still have Couture for 4 years, Vlasic for two years, retention on Karlsson for 4 years, and Burns for 2 years.
The Flames will still have Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar, Coleman, etc. under books several years from now. These contracts go nearly to the age of 40.
But even the Sharks have paid overpaid Benn and Seguin while remaining competitive.
By my math, age at end of last season of contract:
Kadri - 38;
Huberdeau - 37 (although he will have turned 38 just prior to the actual expiry of the contract due to a June birthday);
Weegar - 37;
Coleman - 35.
Simply sharing for accuracy reasons.
This is similar to your argument Lipinski is "younger" than Honzek, when it is a whopping 20-day difference.
I admit I haven't kept up with every rumor, but isn't the popular thinking that Conroy did in fact accept the NJD offer and was overridden?
The most likely and logical scenario is the trade talks had progressed pretty far and NJ wanted to see if Marky would waive if they could come to a deal.
Flames did that but Marky thought that meant they had a deal.. Probably some miscommunication there.
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It’s funny, I haven’t seen Dregers name spoken in a positive light on this website in half a decade. Now all of a sudden he’s a Flames insider who people are listening to.
Marstrom is the first piece the Flames are actively shopping where they have any kind of leverage.
For all of the UFAs the Flames had no choice, and the league knew their only option was to trade.
With Markstrom, the Flames could well keep and use him. They need to flex that muscle if they want to maximize this value.
The crossover between people angry at the Hannifin return and angry the Flames haven't traded Markstrom yet is crazy to me.
Not really. One of the biggest reasons some people want Markstrom traded now is because he has pretty high value, and you want to avoid a Hanifin situation where he's a pending UFA 2 years down the road and only wants to go to one team, and sewering our return. The "crossover" is actually consistent.
It’s funny, I haven’t seen Dregers name spoken in a positive light on this website in half a decade. Now all of a sudden he’s a Flames insider who people are listening to.
I'm only listening as he broke the Hanifin deal and the return.
It’s funny, I haven’t seen Dregers name spoken in a positive light on this website in half a decade. Now all of a sudden he’s a Flames insider who people are listening to.
It’s funny, I haven’t seen Dregers name spoken in a positive light on this website in half a decade. Now all of a sudden he’s a Flames insider who people are listening to.
I think, if I was sitting in Conroy's seat, and I'm making the assumption, which I know is debatable, that I have the green light to trade Markstrom whenever I want, that this is the most fascinating question to ponder.
How much will trading Markstrom now improve our draft position? How much does it need to improve it, for that to outweigh the "better" return on the trade Conroy might be holding out for?
Obviously questions we can't answer, but I'd say that would be the toughest part of the "modeling" he'd be having to do on this trade, knowing that he also can't control how much the team will tank once Marky leaves.
It certainly isn't enough of a reason to cave on the return, that's for sure. What it is worth is difficult to say.
As it stands, they are not going to fall any further than 9OA. Seven teams are uncatchable and BUF likely makes 8. So, 9-16. So what is the value of moving up 2-5 spots?
The flip side is that there is a non-zero chance that they make the playoffs, and what is that worth?
These are very interesting questions, and obviously we can't answer them with certainty. But what we CAN say is that Conroy should NOT drop his price by any more than what you think this value is.
Oh right, that link. is there any other insider that has a direct leak link that everyone knows about? How does he not get in #### for stuff like this?
It’s funny, I haven’t seen Dregers name spoken in a positive light on this website in half a decade. Now all of a sudden he’s a Flames insider who people are listening to.
Going back to his days in Vancouver and Toronto, it's been pretty clear that Nonis has fed information to his cousin. Now that Nonis is with the Flames, it's understandable that it's happening here too.
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Not really. One of the biggest reasons some people want Markstrom traded now is because he has pretty high value, and you want to avoid a Hanifin situation where he's a pending UFA 2 years down the road and only wants to go to one team, and sewering our return. The "crossover" is actually consistent.
Do we know he has high value, it sounds to me that the Flames price has not been met?
Selling Markstrom signals to the fan base that this is a rebuild or lengthy retool, it signals that management and ownership is taking a new approach to building a team that is a departure from 30 years of mediocrity. I think the return means less than the action itself.
