[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[Calgary4LIfe]

There is only one god damn comp for Markstrom, and it was 10 fricken years ago.


Ryan Miller (20% retention)
Steve Ott (cap dump - would never have a season afterwards scoring 5 goals again)


For


Chris Stewart - A valued power forward at the time
William Carrier - recent 2nd round pick scoring above a PPG in the Q
1st round pick (turned into Jack Roslovic)
2nd round pick (a bust in Linus Nassen)


Comps comps comps!!


Now kindly see yourself out.

[GioforPM]

It takes a fair bit to unite the CPers but you’ve almost done it.

[All In Good Time]

Aaaaaaanyway
So
Anyone have anything realistic/interesting to say?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Checks notes: Still worse numbers than Toffoli despite shooting at a rate 50% higher than his career numbers.

Checks notes: Only 4th season in the league, 4 years younger. Only been in a scoring role since december, caught up to Toff after two months of almost no production playing down the line up.

Checks game: Unreal chemistry with Huberdeau, great on PK.

Hope Toff lands you guys a good asset cause otherwise the Flames walk away from that trade laughing. Heck, they probably still do.

[butterfly]

I would love to send Markstrom and a cap dump out of here for a young Carrier and Roslovic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Checks notes: Still worse numbers than Toffoli despite shooting at a rate 50% higher than his career numbers.

LOL - worse numbers? Sharky has one more point, played one more game.

How much are each paid? How old are they? What’s their contract situation presently?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Checks notes: Only 4th season in the league, 4 years younger. Only been in a scoring role since december, caught up to Toff after two months of almost no production playing down the line up.

Checks game: Unreal chemistry with Huberdeau, great on PK.

Hope Toff lands you guys a good asset cause otherwise the Flames walk away from that trade laughing. Heck, they probably still do.

They might get a good younger player - like a Sharangovich.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It takes a fair bit to unite the CPers but you’ve almost done it.

I think it's bringing us together st the right time of the year.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Checks notes: Only 4th season in the league, 4 years younger. Only been in a scoring role since december, caught up to Toff after two months of almost no production playing down the line up.

Checks game: Unreal chemistry with Huberdeau, great on PK.

Hope Toff lands you guys a good asset cause otherwise the Flames walk away from that trade laughing. Heck, they probably still do.

6 years younger actually

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Imagine spending your free time, finding the forum of another team's fan base, and then spending your night arrogantly telling them all how wrong they are.

So they’re gonna fit in well here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jg13

6 years younger actually

Haha, oh yeah! I was thinking about Toff when he arrived here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

In Southern Alberta, Devil lube up for you.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

There is only one god damn comp for Markstrom, and it was 10 fricken years ago.


Ryan Miller (20% retention)
Steve Ott (cap dump - would never have a season afterwards scoring 5 goals again)


For


Chris Stewart - A valued power forward at the time
William Carrier - recent 2nd round pick scoring above a PPG in the Q
1st round pick (turned into Jack Roslovic)
2nd round pick (a bust in Linus Nassen)


Comps comps comps!!


Now kindly see yourself out.

Chris Stewart was traded a year later with 2 mill retention for a 2nd (the value came from the retention).

If Ott was a cap dump then why did STL resign him for the exact same amount?


You can call Halak, Ott, Stewart a net 0 wash approximately, none were very meaningful assets.

But again, if you want late 1st+2nd round prospect+3rd for 1.25 mill retained Markstrom, be my guest.

And again, goalie values have only gone down as teams have gotten smarter

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Aaaaaaanyway
So
Anyone have anything realistic/interesting to say?

I open mouth kissed a horse once.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Toffoli is a rental. Rental prices get jacked up at the deadline. That's the way the world works. If toffoli had 2 more years at a high price (or 5 to match until the age Markstrom will be) it wouldn't help his value, in fact would probably hurt it. Honestly if Markstrom had 2 years instead of 3 his value would be higher.

I said it earlier but there's been very few goalies over the past 15 or so years to be able to sustain quality starter play from ages 34-36.

But Markstrom is sustaining that play in front of a gutted team. Are you not seeing the same player I am?

I can understand you preferring other goalies to Markstrom, given his age, but your present valuation of him is completely disconnected from reality. This is backed up by a hyper inflated sense of Toffoli’s value and that’s where I see your bias lies. Anyways no more feeding the troll for me, later Fitz

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Chris Stewart was traded a year later with 2 mill retention for a 2nd (the value came from the retention).

If Ott was a cap dump then why did STL resign him for the exact same amount?


You can call Halak, Ott, Stewart a net 0 wash approximately, none were very meaningful assets.

But again, if you want late 1st+2nd round prospect+3rd for 1.25 mill retained Markstrom, be my guest.

And again, goalie values have only gone down as teams have gotten smarter

Jack Campbell is available. Give Holland a call when you’re ready to log off.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I open mouth kissed a horse once.

Well……ok
That’s realistic at least

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL - worse numbers? Sharky has one more point, played one more game.

How much are each paid? How old are they? What’s their contract situation presently?

Yegor is good. To this point Toffoli has been better. We'll have to see if Yegor provides more value over the next year (also walking him right to UFA with a 2 year contract lmao) than whatever NJD gets for Toffoli.

It's a tale as old as time of a player with a career high shooting % scoring at unsustainable marks that he won't reach again.

Heck you've got 2 more of them on your roster in Mangiapane and Kuzmenko, still waiting for Mangiapane to get back to shooting 19% and Kuzmenko to get back to a consistent 27% eh?

Oh lord the Coleman one is gonna be brutal too. 32 year old with a career shooting % of 10% suddenly starts potting 17%.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yegor Sharangovich career shooting % before this year: 13%. Now he's shooting 18%. He's not generating more chances, higher quality chances (in fact his xGoal metrics are worse). His defensive metrics haven't changed.

It happens every single year

Shooting percentages YOY

2020: 13.8%
2021: 14.3%
2022: 9.9%
2023: 17.8%



Goals above expected YOY
2020: 3.9
2021: 4.9
2022: -4.2
2023: 7.8

Looks more like NJ gave up on a talented scorer in a statistically unlucky year.

3.5% higher shooting percentage from 2023 to 2021 is a jump for sure, but it's not an insane heater like where we've seen guys shoot at 28%.

He's a talented goal scorer.

[united]

Wow of all the returning posters and flashbacks to previous years on the forum the Hanifin marathon thread blessed us with, I certainly didn’t think Tyler Dellow would rejoin.

Devils fully fooled by his snake oil, just like the Oilers before.