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Old 03-07-2024, 08:24 PM   #301
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No, h won't be cheaper. I don't care what conversations you have had with Bruin fans, Ullmark is in his prime and coming off a Vezina trophy. He is also not available until at least the offseason. The ask for Ullmark will be substantial, almost certainly higher than Markstrom.
Surely a reigning vezina winner has never gone for a low price before. Surely it hasn't happened recently.

I'll stick with the historical comps (they rarely lie). Team needs cap space and has an expensive backup goalie, price goes down, especially in the offseason.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:25 PM   #302
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Yes, we all know you think top goalies grow on trees in the ECHL, and you hate Markstrom because he's not working for league minimum.

Are you and dgibb10 related by any chance?
I don’t know dgibb10. We are related because we agree?

The best goalies in the league on Brodeur’s list are 2.76 GAA .909 SV%. League average is 2.92 GAA .903 SV%. Such an “incredible” improvement.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:25 PM   #303
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Maybe if Fitz did a better job of selling Holtz, the Flames would've settled for the Holtz and a 1st package

Silly Fitz.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:26 PM   #304
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At this point this season is gone. For 24-25 and 25-26, here is a list of goalies I would choose over 35 and 36 year old Markstrom

Shesty, Sorokin, Saros, Oetter, Swayman, Ullmark, Vasy, Demko, Jarry, Adin Hill, Logan Thompson, Bob, Connor Ingram, 6K, Askarov. That is 15 goalies.


The problem is fanbases all think their goalie is top 3, or top 5, or top 10.

Every fanbase thinks any cold streak on their goalie is a slump, and any hot streak will last forever.
I feel like you will have a long long career posting on CP. HAHA!
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:26 PM   #305
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Bruh. You were IN THE THREAD where all the lurkers were joining. Try getting over your Hanafin butthurt for twenty minutes and be a decent community member.
I contribute to this community daily, who in the hell are you? Oh right, I remember you, trollololol
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Yes, we all know you think top goalies grow on trees in the ECHL, and you hate Markstrom because he's not working for league minimum.

Are you and dgibb10 related by any chance?
You know how I know goalies like Linus Ullmark and Jacob Markstrom can be available cheaply.

They were both literally acquired for free as UFAs.
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NJD's 2024 1st is no longer on the table, but if you prefer a pick return for Markstrom

Holtz for Markstrom (2 mill retained)
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2025 1st+2nd+3rd for Markstrom (2 mill retained)

And frankly the offer goes down significantly in the offseason
Haha, love these fans that negotiate with fans of other teams like they're actually the ones calling the shots.

Ok bud, let's get the league on the horn and draw up some paperwork. lmao

HF forums and CF forums this ain't
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No, h won't be cheaper. I don't care what conversations you have had with Bruin fans, Ullmark is in his prime and coming off a Vezina trophy. He is also not available until at least the offseason. The ask for Ullmark will be substantial, almost certainly higher than Markstrom.
And Boston is not going to retain Salary in Ullmark.

Markstrom at $3mil (50%) retained is very valuable.

This guy is just pissed that the Flames org didn't cave and send them Markstrom at 50% retained for spare parts.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:27 PM   #309
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New Jersey is the Edmonton of the eastern seaboard.

Does that make Newark double Edmonton?
NJ is NG
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I know at least Holtz and the 2025 1st was offered, I cannot confirm what else was in there. This has also been stated by multiple insiders that get paid to do this for a living.
I have yet to see any report stating that NJD offered Holtz+1st. I have asked countless flames fans, none can provide a link to said source.
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You know how I know goalies like Linus Ullmark and Jacob Markstrom can be available cheaply.

They were both literally acquired for free as UFAs.
I know this whole UFA thing can be tricky, so maybe we should go through it again...

Players who are UFAs can be signed by any team (i.e. free)

You are yelling at clouds here.
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You know how I know goalies like Linus Ullmark and Jacob Markstrom can be available cheaply.

They were both literally acquired for free as UFAs.
So how fast are you going to disappear when eventually Fitz pays a huge price for a starting goalie?
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:29 PM   #313
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I don’t know dgibb10. We are related because we agree?
You agree that goalies are unimportant. That's a rare opinion.

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The best goalies in the league on Brodeur’s list are 2.76 GAA .909 SV%. League average is 2.92 GAA .903 SV%. Such an “incredible” improvement.
What's it like to know so much more about goaltending than Brodeur?
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You know how I know goalies like Linus Ullmark and Jacob Markstrom can be available cheaply.

They were both literally acquired for free as UFAs.
Yup, Tavares is crap too, because he was "free" to the Leafs. Same with Panarin.

The value of these goalies is they are under contract, and in the case of Markstrom it could be a very attractive cap hit.
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Names all the goaltenders available. Here’s the list of teams
In need of goaltending, devils, kings, oilers, canes, leafs, flyers (depends on window), avs. That’s just playoff teams.
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Old 03-07-2024, 08:30 PM   #316
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I have yet to see any report stating that NJD offered Holtz+1st. I have asked countless flames fans, none can provide a link to said source.

I don't think there's a source out there who has told what was rumoured to be offered. Our guys here have opined on what they've heard. Say what you will about any of the insiders but their info has been consistent.
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after months of yelling from the hilltops that goalies have no value, butterfly has finally found a friend!
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So how fast are you going to disappear when eventually Fitz pays a huge price for a starting goalie?
How fast is Fitz going to disappear after paying a huge price for a starting goalie?
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You know how I know goalies like Linus Ullmark and Jacob Markstrom can be available cheaply.

They were both literally acquired for free as UFAs.
Just as I suspected, you have no idea why Markstrom was available as a UFA. It had nothing to do with his lack of value.
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Does New Jersey have any AHL defensemen Conroy can trade for?
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