03-07-2024, 07:04 PM
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#161
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Backup Goalie
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Conman is sleeping obviously having moist dreams
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03-07-2024, 07:04 PM
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#162
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Franchise Player
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'the least valuable position'... LOL, okay
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03-07-2024, 07:04 PM
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#163
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Corey Schneider was traded at the draft, in the off season, a long time ago. The market is constantly changing. That is why a guy like Ben Chariot got such a big return yet Tanev could not. The market fluctuates, you can't compare the market years ago to today's market. You also shouldn't make definitive statements like Mercer will not be on the table because you don't know what the other perimeters of a deal could be or what is being discussed.
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Yes, like I said, the market for goalies is changing.
Teams are paying goalies less and less.
They are heading more and more towards tandems.
They are drafting goalies later and later.
They are getting younger and younger with their approaches.
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03-07-2024, 07:06 PM
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#164
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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LOL goalie least valuable position. Had to do a double take.
That's got to be Spurs/Moon ver 3.0
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03-07-2024, 07:06 PM
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#165
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Mar 2024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
'the least valuable position'... LOL, okay
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They get paid the least, they get traded for the least, they get drafted the latest.
In every way where GMs show how they value positions, they show that goalies are valued least.
Good goaltending is valuable. Individual goaltenders aren't. As flames fans specifically should know with Markstrom just how volatile goaltending is
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03-07-2024, 07:06 PM
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#166
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
The only fans who want Fitzgerald fired are flames fans.
You don't trade away Cs for Gs. That's the most valuable position for the least valuable position. And with Michael McLeod gone the Devils need to keep their Cs.
Buyers do not sell young, cost controlled guys getting 17+ minutes a night. It is counterintuitive to take away from your roster
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Yes they do, it has happened multiple times in the past to upgrade a position of need. Also, McLeod is gone and has been for a while and Mercer is still used as a winger in NJ. They are not using him as a centre going forward. He also is actually averaging 3rd line ice time this year as that is where he is being used.
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03-07-2024, 07:06 PM
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#167
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
Yes, like I said, the market for goalies is changing.
Teams are paying goalies less and less.
They are heading more and more towards tandems.
They are drafting goalies later and later.
They are getting younger and younger with their approaches.
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How's the young tandem working for NJ?
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03-07-2024, 07:06 PM
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#168
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
The only fans who want Fitzgerald fired are flames fans.
You don't trade away Cs for Gs. That's the most valuable position for the least valuable position. And with Michael McLeod gone the Devils need to keep their Cs.
Buyers do not sell young, cost controlled guys getting 17+ minutes a night. It is counterintuitive to take away from your roster
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A. Fitz fired was a joke.
B. Goaltenders are the least valuable position? How did NJD do with great centres and lousy goaltending this year (and last POs)?
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03-07-2024, 07:07 PM
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#169
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
LOL goalie least valuable position. Had to do a double take.
That's got to be Spurs/Moon ver 3.0
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The posting style definitely matches up.
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03-07-2024, 07:07 PM
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#170
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Mar 2024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
LOL goalie least valuable position. Had to do a double take.
That's got to be Spurs/Moon ver 3.0
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Goalies historically get traded for less than any other position.
They get paid less (2 top 3 goalies in Hellebuyuck and Sorokin just got paid the same or less as a pair of 2Cs in Horvat and Schiefele)
They get drafted later.
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03-07-2024, 07:07 PM
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#171
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
The only fans who want Fitzgerald fired are flames fans.
You don't trade away Cs for Gs. That's the most valuable position for the least valuable position. And with Michael McLeod gone the Devils need to keep their Cs.
Buyers do not sell young, cost controlled guys getting 17+ minutes a night. It is counterintuitive to take away from your roster
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Lol ok this is a joke now. Goalie is less valuable than wingers?
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03-07-2024, 07:08 PM
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#172
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
The posting style definitely matches up.
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The delirium as well.
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03-07-2024, 07:08 PM
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#173
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Franchise Player
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New Jersey is a textbook example of what downplaying the importance of a goalie will get you.
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03-07-2024, 07:08 PM
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#174
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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This is why a Markstrom trade is so significant. If Edwards so so deluded that he thinks the team is a contender, then there is fundamentally no hope for the direction of the franchise as long as he is manipulating things.
I think the occurrence of the trade itself is more important than the value attained. Because it says everything about the state of the organization.
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03-07-2024, 07:09 PM
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#175
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Mar 2024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
A. Fitz fired was a joke.
B. Goaltenders are the least valuable position? How did NJD do with great centres and lousy goaltending this year (and last POs)?
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Goaltending is valuable.
Individual Goaltenders are not.
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03-07-2024, 07:10 PM
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#176
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
Yes, like I said, the market for goalies is changing.
Teams are paying goalies less and less.
They are heading more and more towards tandems.
They are drafting goalies later and later.
They are getting younger and younger with their approaches.
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Ok, well I am pretty in tune with the market and I can tell you right now the market on top end goalies is high. Saros price was also Mercer +, actually higher than the ask for Markstrom.
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03-07-2024, 07:11 PM
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#177
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Slightly right of left of center
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Murray Edwards is not dumb
So he must be delusional, they are pretty much out of the playoffs
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I heard a unsubstantiated rumor murray was in discussions about selling his share. So trying to make playoffs helps that.
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03-07-2024, 07:11 PM
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#178
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Yup. Spurs had to respond to every single post as well.
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03-07-2024, 07:12 PM
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#179
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: YYZ
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Gold is valuable, individual gold bars are not.
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03-07-2024, 07:12 PM
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#180
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dgibb10
Goalies historically get traded for less than any other position.
They get paid less (2 top 3 goalies in Hellebuyuck and Sorokin just got paid the same or less as a pair of 2Cs in Horvat and Schiefele)
They get drafted later.
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They're traded for less because they're the biggest wildcard. How do you not understand that?
It doesn't mean they're the least valuable. it just means them performing is not guaranteed because goalies are voodoo by nature, so the inherent risk diminishes the picks they go for.
A team NEEDS a goalie performing to go anywhere.
It might not have to be at a Vezina level, but the middle of the pack for starters at the bare minimum in order to compete for the cup.
Without that, everything above the goalie collapses. They're absolutely integral, and New Jersey is learning that lesson this year.
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