2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The CP brain trust is better than every coach and GM in the NHL, don't you know anything?

This is rather rich....

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What was the problem in New Jersey, again?

There are people on CP who are more qualified to answer that question

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Those are people not on the "Calgarypuck copium"


What?...lol

I think it's a bit foolish to dismiss out of hand a converging consensus from people outside the echo chamber. And it's overwhelmingly "Conroy got mediocre to bad returns on everyone but Lindholm."

You could probably make excuses for why guys like Feaster, Chiarelli, and Milbury had extenuating circumstances for their moves too. But the perception of these guys is still there, and it doesn't come from nowhere.

The signs are a little worrisome, is all I'm saying. If you were to take out all the usual Twitter noise, the sentiment analysis for Conroy's body of work so far would not paint a pretty picture.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by 868904

It’s kinda funny that everyone on here was bashing Seravalli as a Flames hater but I wonder if he was actually helping Conroy out in trying to lower expectations. Everything he has said has been favourable to Conroy: from praising the Lindholm return; blaming Maloney for the Markstrom thing; tempering the return on Hanifin; and now praising the job that Conroy did.

I think it's safe to say that if that was his intention then he epically failed.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I think it's a bit foolish to dismiss out of hand opinions from people outside the echo chamber. And it's overwhelmingly "Conroy got mediocre to bad returns on everyone but Lindholm."

You could probably make excuses for why guys like Feaster, Chiarelli, and Milbury had extenuating circumstances for their moves too. But the perception of these guys is still there, and it doesn't come from nowhere.

The signs are a little worrisome, is all I'm saying.

So can you find all the examples of trades that are way better on rentals? The time to sell was last deadline but that wasn’t in Conroy’s control

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 868904

It’s kinda funny that everyone on here was bashing Seravalli as a Flames hater but I wonder if he was actually helping Conroy out in trying to lower expectations. Everything he has said has been favourable to Conroy: from praising the Lindholm return; blaming Maloney for the Markstrom thing; tempering the return on Hanifin; and now praising the job that Conroy did.

Almost like there wasn’t some nefarious agenda?

[Major Major]

Not all heroes wear capes

[JurassicTunga12]

Apparently Chris Johnson said the devils are gonna take another run at markstrom before the deadline.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess is Devils move Toffoli and then try to use those assets to take another run at Markstrom without including Mercer.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is Devils move Toffoli and then try to use those assets to take another run at Markstrom without including Mercer.

If it’s not mercer or a young center with top 6 upside then don’t bother

[Icon]

Originally Posted by jurassictunga12

apparently chris johnson said the devils are gonna take another run at markstrom before the deadline.

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[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If it’s not mercer or a young center with top 6 upside then don’t bother

2024 1st from the devils
2025 1st from another team (Vegas would be amazing and hilarious)

You wouldn’t take that for markstrom??

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

2024 1st from the devils
2025 1st from another team (Vegas would be amazing and hilarious)

You wouldn’t take that for markstrom??

That would be incredible!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Apparently Chris Johnson said the devils are gonna take another run at markstrom before the deadline.

Make. The. Trade.

With conditions of course.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Apparently Chris Johnson said the devils are gonna take another run at markstrom before the deadline.

I will post this hesitantly.

My understanding is this:

There is an ask from Conroy that is not up for negotiation....all that has already occurred.

What that ask is, people can debate but (and this is me filling in the blanks) im sure he wants Mercer and a pick.

The counter, that has already been declined, was Holtz pick/prospect.

So really if NJ wants to re-visit this, all they have to do is move off the untouchable tag on Mercer. Other wise...no deal.

But again, and now that the Flames have 2 retentions on the books, it gets more complicated as to what portion, if any, the Flames cover moving foirward. If NJ does send a Toffoli or someone else out in a separate deal it looks more doable.

[Toonage]

Markstrom for a 1st*

* so long as the Devils want to give the first. Might be this year. Might be next. Or the year after. We'll see how they feel about it.

[edslunch]

I'm holding out for Mercer

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is Devils move Toffoli and then try to use those assets to take another run at Markstrom without including Mercer.

Lets say they get a second and a third then come to calgary with a first a second and a third would conroy bite?

If it happened along those lines then the toffoli trade could be one of the best in flame’s history

[MacDaddy77]

Flames could take on Toffoli for another pick to make the deal. or Mercer, Toffoli + 1st for Markstrom

Flip Toffoli before deadline tomorrow.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I think it's a bit foolish to dismiss out of hand a converging consensus from people outside the echo chamber. And it's overwhelmingly "Conroy got mediocre to bad returns on everyone but Lindholm."

You could probably make excuses for why guys like Feaster, Chiarelli, and Milbury had extenuating circumstances for their moves too. But the perception of these guys is still there, and it doesn't come from nowhere.

The signs are a little worrisome, is all I'm saying. If you were to take out all the usual Twitter noise, the sentiment analysis for Conroy's body of work so far would not paint a pretty picture.

Conroy’s body of work is fine.

Lindholm was a home run.

Tanev was a win.

Hanifin was underwhelming.

Zadorov was fine.

Toffoli was a double at least.

All the NHL players he’s brought in are on short, cheap deals.

Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Miromanov - these guys can all be traded at any time for positive value over the next 12-24 months.

What I like about these moves is they set up future rebuilding moves.

They don’t attempt to fix this roster in one deadline with a bunch of Hail Mary trades.

It isn’t the sexiest, but it’s measured and prudent and there’s clearly a vision behind these moves.

And don’t know how they don’t conclude a markstrom deal with everyone else now gone.

We shall see.