[Signing] Canucks sign petterson 8 years 11.6 aav

[Heavy Jack]

Johnny and Matty were the first century point players for us since fleury, a 30 year gap in between , and sadly we couldn’t get them locked to extensions… no, we turned around and gave Huby the JG contract of 10.5 sight unseen. I get it, it’s a team who is a rival, but no sense in trying to down play the signing as ‘meh’. If only we coulda kept our 100 + point superstars to 8 year extensions when they were 25.

Thank god for Craig Conroy establishing a direction that’s noticeably different than the norm of this would have been far more depressing news lol.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Pete is no unicorn like Tkachuk and he costs 2 mil more.

It's not a "steal". Its fair, but necessary for the Canucks. That's it.

This is no Lindholm/Hanifin <5 mil cap hits which actually were steals.

Draisaitl's is much closer to steal territory, but I'd still call it just good to very good.

For a hundred point skill guy, 11.6 is... ehh.

He's hit 100 pts once (and never hit 70 before that). He may or may not get to 100 this year, despite the team, and everyone on it, being on a year-long super high shooting percentage.

[Strange Brew]

It seems like decent value based on other deals. But I would never call it a steal. With any 8 year deal, the club takes on more risk than the player.

Best case he outperforms the deal by $1 or $2 million.

Worst case you get a Huberdeau situation.

NHL GM’s falling all over themselves to sign 8 year deals. MLB has no hard cap and players have longer careers. And they have fewer long term deals per capita.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

5th highest cap hit in the league...I don't think its a steal like some of you seem to
Is he going to get 100 points year in year out?

Seems like the going rate but I don't think he left much if anything on the table

I can't find a single post in this thread calling it a steal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I can't find a single post in this thread calling it a steal

"Great deal"
"Incredible value"
"Amazing deal for the Canucks"

You obviously didn't look very hard...maybe nobody said the exact word "steal"

It's market rate I guess, IF he continues to score at around 100 points pace.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Great deal"
"Incredible value"
"Amazing deal for the Canucks"

You obviously didn't look very hard...maybe nobody said the exact word "steal"

It's market rate I guess, IF he continues to score at around 100 points pace.

About 70% of posters said good or fair, some said great.
No one said it was a steal.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Buff

I thought it was only Lou Lamoriello that made his players get haircuts.

Mr. Burns was notorious about his distaste for sideburns.

Damn that Don Mattingly!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

About 70% of posters said good or fair, some said great.
No one said it was a steal.

Gotta side with Dino on this one. The language some posters did use is a lot closer to ‘steal’ than merely ‘good’ or ‘fair’.

The most I can say is that Pettersson took a sensible discount to sign the contract now, instead of risking that an injury might damage his earning power.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It seems like decent value based on other deals. But I would never call it a steal. With any 8 year deal, the club takes on more risk than the player.

Best case he outperforms the deal by $1 or $2 million.

Worst case you get a Huberdeau situation.

NHL GM’s falling all over themselves to sign 8 year deals. MLB has no hard cap and players have longer careers. And they have fewer long term deals per capita.

Worst case is you get a player who walks themselves to free agency or threatens to do so. The Tkachuk situation really serves as warning to the NHL of the importance of having star players wrapped up with sensible deals. The window for a Stanley Cup run is very short and everything needs to go right for it to happen

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

About 70% of posters said good or fair, some said great.
No one said it was a steal.

come on now...I think we can consider "incredible value" and "steal" to be equal representations.

agree or don't, its fine. It's a contract they had to sign but there is ZERO discount here IMO. I think for 11.6M 100 Points is the minimum. Lets not forget Gaudreau and Huberdeau tied for 2nd overall in NHL scoring when the Flames offered them 10.5M. I will eat my hat if Pete is #2 in scoring any season during this contract, he is currently 11th.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now...I think we can consider "incredible value" and "steal" to be equal representations.

agree or don't, its fine. It's a contract they had to sign but there is ZERO discount here IMO. I think for 11.6M 100 Points is the minimum. Lets not forget Gaudreau and Huberdeau tied for 2nd overall in NHL scoring when the Flames offered them 10.5M. I will eat my hat if Pete is #2 in scoring any season during this contract, he is currently 11th.

If the expectation with the huberdeau 10.5 aav contract was 90+ points perennially (because people rationally didnt expect 115 as the norm), then the expectation for EP's 11.6 has to be 100.

I have a feeling it will be hard to live up to for more than half of those contract years.

You have to sign it. But we're not in backflip territory about the contract here. Although I understand the elation with just being able to keep the player at all.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If the expectation with the huberdeau 10.5 aav contract was 90+ points perennially (because people rationally didnt expect 115 as the norm), then the expectation for EP's 11.6 has to be 100.

I have a feeling it will be hard to live up to for more than half of those contract years.

You have to sign it. But we're not in backflip territory about the contract here. Although I understand the elation with just being able to keep the player at all.

EPs extension kicks in at 26 rather than 30 for Huberdeau.

Elias was also an impact player since day one of his career, rather than Huberdeau spiking late.

Also EP is a much better all around player.

EP has a much higher likelihood of living up to the contract IMO.

Decent chance of outperfomance for EP throughout the contract and a very low chance of under performance IMO.

[Blaster86]

So listening to JP Barry and Elliotte Friedman talk about Pettersson today is super interesting. It was 3 days from the start of talks to signing. Rutherford and Allvin pulled Pettersson aside and made their pitch. It was a mixture of "This will be big for the team, big for the fans, but also big for you since we can see the stress this is causing" and "We can't walk you to Free Agency."

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

EPs extension kicks in at 26 rather than 30 for Huberdeau.

Elias was also an impact player since day one of his career, rather than Huberdeau spiking late.

Also EP is a much better all around player.

EP has a much higher likelihood of living up to the contract IMO.

Decent chance of outperfomance for EP throughout the contract and a very low chance of under performance IMO.

almost zero but okay, lets see

how the hell does he out perform 11.6M? career highs every season? He is having a GREAT year and 11.6 is pushing it IMO. There are FOUR players in the NHL with a bigger cap hit, I know that will grow but still.

[alnigi]

If you repeat it enough times, do people believe it?
Dino has , he thinks it’s a a steal.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Flames had a 25 year old 1.20 point per game #1C I'd happily see him get this contract.

Hopefully they do get a #1C like this one day again, it's only been like 30 or 40 years.

[dino7c]

My opinions often aren't popular but are usually correct...I bat about .700 around here
it would also help if people actually read, contract is fair...not great value IMO. They will pay Pete more for the same or less performance.

[カナダ人です]

On the open market, a 25 year old 100-point centre could fetch a lot more than 11.6, so in that sense it is a 'good' deal for Vancouver.

Also makes the Nylander deal in Toronto look bad, so that helps make this deal looked even better

[alnigi]

Originally Posted by dino7c

My opinions often aren't popular but are usually correct.

Are you trying a new tact ?
Humility and truth combined.

[alnigi]

Contract was settled for $ 900,000 below recent potential expectations.
11.6 x 8 seems fair and a good investment for player, team, management, fans and revenue.

It wasn’t that long ago when some folks here bashed and surmised weak outlooks for both Hughes and Pettersson, in their beginning nhl seasons.

If his stats start dipping below PPG in his NHL career, which is trending the other way, perhaps he's a bust …. lol.

He is still growing in to his game , with a lot of upside. Whether or not he continues to fall down so easily. ��