2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Keep pushing the envelope CC

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sec214

L.A. Earthquake... the Kings have entered the discussion!!!

[Vinny01]

Looks like Flames fans on Twitter are taking to the Serivali report that Maloney/Edwards blocked the first Markstrom trade are trying to get #EdwardsOut trending.

[Heavy Jack]

lol, thanks a bunch Frank you dolt

[Toonage]

Best of luck with that one lol

[Monahammer]

If albertans want to be mad at Murray Edwards, they have way better reasons to than trade rumors.

Maloney on the other hand...

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Torture

My theory, 'it's working' means that Fitz is feeling the pressure and coming back to the table with a real offer.

Or is the ploy of teasing Tampa interesting working to squeeze Florida?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It's steep because the initial offer is too much. Holtz for Markstrom is enough. If 50% retained is worth the 1st then it should be Holtz and a 1st for Markstrom. IMO $3 mil for 2 more seasons is worth slightly more than a 1st though. Holtz 1st and 2nd in 25 or 26 is worth it from a Flames perspective. NJ should consider it as well because Markstrom at $3 mil is a steal even if there is risk due to his age.

Holtz straight up for Markstrom would be somewhat soft return based on recent play though.

I like Holtz but 1:1 for Markstrom would be a underwhelming return right now.

This is where I think the Mercer thing comes into play a bit.

Mercer for Markstrom would feel more fair as a 1 for 1 deal...then if you want to add a pick for retention maybe it makes sense.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Please remind yourself this is all unsubstantiated speculation, and none of what you are upset about is factual.

Yeah there's a lot of filling in the blanks to fit preconceived notions these days.

[Reign of Fire]

Every time Frank Seravalli says anything about a potential trade between Flames/NJ, I just assume he's pushing New Jersey's narrative. His takes seem one-sided.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It's steep because the initial offer is too much. Holtz for Markstrom is enough. If 50% retained is worth the 1st then it should be Holtz and a 1st for Markstrom. IMO $3 mil for 2 more seasons is worth slightly more than a 1st though. Holtz 1st and 2nd in 25 or 26 is worth it from a Flames perspective. NJ should consider it as well because Markstrom at $3 mil is a steal even if there is risk due to his age.

Holtz for Markstrom 1:1 is not enough
Top starting goaltender for 2nd/3rd line winger?
Even taking age into account, that’s not sufficient.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Every time Frank Seravalli says anything about a potential trade between Flames/NJ, I just assume he's pushing New Jersey's narrative. His takes seem one-sided.

I don't think he has said 1 favourable thing about the Flames in weeks. but maybe that's just confirmation bias kicking in

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If albertans want to be mad at Murray Edwards, they have way better reasons to than trade rumors.

Maloney on the other hand...

… they have no reasons?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If albertans want to be mad at Murray Edwards, they have way better reasons to than trade rumors.

Maloney on the other hand...

What exactly would you blame Maloney for? I thought he was very welll spoken when dealing with the Trelving episode/new GM search.

[Toonage]

Maloney is the go between for Edwards & Conroy. He isn't killing anything on his own FWIW

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If I have this right about the Markstrom trade, the Flames agreed to a deal and asked Markstrom to waive but then:

- pulled the deal because they were playing too well
- pulled the deal because they hadn’t agreed to a deal
- hadn’t agreed to a deal because Murray said “no” to retention
- hadn’t agreed to a deal because Maloney said “no” to retention
- hadn’t agreed to a deal because they only want Mercer
- hadn’t agreed to a deal because they want the 24 1st instead of the 25 1st
- hadn’t agreed to a deal because NJ weren’t offering enough for retention
- never had a deal because NJ never offered enough for a deal in the first place

Clear as mud, really. The nice part is you can just choose which of these allows you to criticize the person you already dislike in the Flames organization.

Meanwhile:
- Despite “going for it” they’ve traded Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, and (soon) Hanifin
- Despite not wanting to retain, retained on Tanev
- Despite “sticking to their ask” took less than a 1st for Tanev

It’s not possible that, maybe, Conroy is just good at this and has freedom to operate as he sees fit and the guy who desperately needs a goalie while he watches his team fail down the stretch is leaking crap to the media to cover for his inability to close Markstrom or Saros?

That's an all time post in my mind!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Looks like Flames fans on Twitter are taking to the Serivali report that Maloney/Edwards blocked the first Markstrom trade are trying to get #EdwardsOut trending.

$700 million is a lot of recycled bottles. They better get cracking!

[konradical]

It isnt even the rumours or scoops that Frank says, it is that he seems so arrogant and is pretty rude when people question him.

[Toonage]

Frank comes across as a bit of a bully IMO

Ever hear him talk to Jason Gregor?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Holtz straight up for Markstrom would be somewhat soft return based on recent play though.

I like Holtz but 1:1 for Markstrom would be a underwhelming return right now.

This is where I think the Mercer thing comes into play a bit.

Mercer for Markstrom would feel more fair as a 1 for 1 deal...then if you want to add a pick for retention maybe it makes sense.

Disagree, definitely not a 1st to make of the difference.

Holtz ranks 11th out of forward ice for NJ, gets some PP but mainly 2nd unit, just turned 22 and is pacing for 15 goals 30 points. 1st full year in the NHL with a year left on his ELC. He's worth Markstrom straight up or a small add like 4th or 3rd round not a 1st.