[Rumour] NJD willing to trade for Markstrom in offseason if deal not reached before deadline

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

….. they still have to move the two year old. It was something he specifically asked for in his contract, and he’s obliging a request to waive it.

It's not like he is being shopped around the league.

It sounds like it has only been New Jersey and he agreed to go there. So either he goes or he stays.

It's a business.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's not like he is being shopped around the league.

It sounds like it has only been New Jersey and he agreed to go there. So either he goes or he stays.

It's a business.

Stop saying it's a business. You probably work for a business too. You probably get frustrated at your employer from time to time too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Stop saying it's a business. You probably work for a business too. You probably get frustrated at your employer from time to time too.

I would be less frustrated if I was getting 12 million guaranteed no matter what happens.

[SuperMatt18]

I'll be honest I'd be a bit annoyed too if I was Markstrom.

It appears he was very clear that he didn't want to be approached with an ask to waive his NTC unless it was a done deal.

Conroy and Co. are rumored to have approached him and it might have gotten to the point where he waived the NTC and he thought it was a done deal.

And then the deal didn't happen.

You'd be having family discussions about moving, trying to figure out logistics of things, etc etc. And then it's just a "Ooops didn't happen"

And Markstrom would probably have a lot more details about what happened and why the trade would have broken down than we did.

So it really feels like if Markstrom has frustrations with management there might be good reason for it.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No better way to impress the new employer than by trashing the old one on your way out, amirite?

This hurts the Flames position much more than Hanifins agent saying where he will or won’t sign

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

He's a Pro Athlete. Its part of his job.

The fact of the matter remains that he screwed the pooch last year. Yeah, that was then and this is now, but it still indicates that he can't be trusted to be consistent.

And I really dont like his comments to the media. At all.

If you want to insist to media and the fans that Craig Conroy is screwing you? I want proof.

It's part of the job, but that doesn't mean you have to like it. DO you not get annoyed at your job sometimes?

[dino7c]

that's how she goes, Flames can't just accept a poor deal now because they approached Markstom. Maybe they thought they had a deal and NJ tried to pull something at the last minute.

you play a kids game for millions of dollars, win or lose...stuff happens, get over it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would be less frustrated if I was getting 12 million guaranteed no matter what happens.

For a little while, but only until you get acclimatized to the reality of it. There are good days and bad days, regardless of what pay scale you're in.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'll be honest I'd be a bit annoyed too if I was Markstrom.

It appears he was very clear that he didn't want to be approached with an ask to waive his NTC unless it was a done deal.

Conroy and Co. are rumored to have approached him and it might have gotten to the point where he waived the NTC and he thought it was a done deal.

And then the deal didn't happen.

You'd be having family discussions about moving, trying to figure out logistics of things, etc etc. And then it's just a "Ooops didn't happen"

And Markstrom would probably have a lot more details about what happened and why the trade would have broken down than we did.

So it really feels like if Markstrom has frustrations with management there might be good reason for it.

Supposedly the Devils asked for retention at the last minute, and from all accounts leaked the trade to the media. But somehow the Flames are responsible for that?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'll be honest I'd be a bit annoyed too if I was Markstrom.

It appears he was very clear that he didn't want to be approached with an ask to waive his NTC unless it was a done deal.

Conroy and Co. are rumored to have approached him and it might have gotten to the point where he waived the NTC and he thought it was a done deal.

And then the deal didn't happen.

You'd be having family discussions about moving, trying to figure out logistics of things, etc etc. And then it's just a "Ooops didn't happen"

And Markstrom would probably have a lot more details about what happened and why the trade would have broken down than we did.

So it really feels like if Markstrom has frustrations with management there might be good reason for it.

He can be frustrated or annoyed thats cool, but he doesn't need to let it slip up in the media and sound entitled.

He makes millions of dollars to play a game, it's going to come with some sacrifices like hearing your name in trade rumours, even when you have protection from being traded.

Just like a person working 9-5 may have to sacrifice a meal to pay a bill.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'll be honest I'd be a bit annoyed too if I was Markstrom.

It appears he was very clear that he didn't want to be approached with an ask to waive his NTC unless it was a done deal.

Conroy and Co. are rumored to have approached him and it might have gotten to the point where he waived the NTC and he thought it was a done deal.

And then the deal didn't happen.

You'd be having family discussions about moving, trying to figure out logistics of things, etc etc. And then it's just a "Ooops didn't happen"

And Markstrom would probably have a lot more details about what happened and why the trade would have broken down than we did.

So it really feels like if Markstrom has frustrations with management there might be good reason for it.

All true. The media doesn't help and I don't blame people for wanting to walk away from that part either. "I don't want to talk about it during the season." "Yeah, but what about today?"...like...no f*** off.

Same with Hanifin. Team has some nice wins and the first thing he's asked about is trades. Both Johnny and Tkachuk (especially Johnny) constantly pestered about their commitment to stay etc... Just shut up. It's like a partner always asking if you're mad at them.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For a little while, but only until you get acclimatized to the reality of it. There are good days and bad days, regardless of what pay scale you're in.

As SuperMatt18 mentioned, preparing to move across the continent is a big drain on anybody's time. And no matter how rich you are, you still only get 24 hours in a day.

I can excuse Markstrom for having a bad day in the circumstances. It was foolish of him to run his mouth in public about it, but as a wise man once said: ‘Everyone is a damn fool for five minutes a day. Wisdom consists in not exceeding that amount.’

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Supposedly the Devils asked for retention at the last minute, and from all accounts leaked the trade to the media. But somehow the Flames are responsible for that?

Maybe...

But I would suspect that Markstrom would have a lot more details on what exactly broke down than we did.

And if feels like he's going to say something in the media that he probably feels like he has a reason that's not from the Devils side.

[dino7c]

Lindholm was all pissy in the media too "they know what I want"
how did that work out?
cost himself tens of millions of dollars...Flames need to move on from entitled players

[Bingo]

Markstrom has been the consummate pro since he got to Calgary, and a great teammate.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt instead of dropping whiny and entitled on him.

[Manhattanboy]

I will miss him. Should have won a cup here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

that's how she goes, Flames can't just accept a poor deal now because they approached Markstom. Maybe they thought they had a deal and NJ tried to pull something at the last minute.

you play a kids game for millions of dollars, win or lose...stuff happens, get over it

Yeah. The Flames brass are just doing their jobs as best they can, and that's the nature of trade negotiations in this business.. things fall apart and come together quickly. How many times do players themselves say it.. that's just the business. But suddenly it's shocking when the business side does business things and a deal falls though because it involves you?

It's not like they broke into his house and pied him in the middle of the night. They just tried to make a trade and had to involve you because of the NMC/NTC, and it fell through. Them's the breaks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Markstrom has been the consummate pro since he got to Calgary, and a great teammate.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt instead of dropping whiny and entitled on him.

I was talking about Lindholm....but I don't like his quote today

I think the Flames have been more than fair with Markstom too. He did have a terrible season and a terrible series against the Oilers. The frustration for the fans IMO is the totality of players all demanding top dollar and term when the team has done nothing but fail. And them pokemon face when guys get moved.

Everything the Flames do is bad PR for some reason...like they are the first team to trade a player

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Vanacek coming back would hardly be a problem in my eyes.

1 year left at $3M. You could retain and flip on him, you could buy him out, you could waive him. I’d say no problem on that front.

Same as the retention conversation... taking the Devil's struggling goalie back in the trade isn't a problem, as long as they are willing to pay the price for it.

Throughout this saga it definitely seems that the gap between the Flames and the Devils is on whether or not the Devils are willing to pay appropriately for (1) a vezina-contending goalie, (2) multi-year retention slots on said goalie or (3) for sending low value assets with term back.

It has been a very exciting exercise discussing how this trade should play out as it is really uncharted territory. Vezina contending goalies never get moved, especially at the trade deadline, and doubly so with term left on their contracts. Most goalie trades involve 1A/B goalies or backups.

I really hope we are blown away by the return on the trade or that it goes away and we commit to keeping Markstrom and silencing the gossip. Either path is good for the Flames in my opinion but it needs to resolve quickly, which has been a failure in the process thus far.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Stop saying it's a business. You probably work for a business too. You probably get frustrated at your employer from time to time too.

Yeah. And if he didnt have an iron-clad, guaranteed contract I'd have fired him last season because he was ass at his job. Literally the worst goaltender in the NHL.

It goes both ways.