[Rumour] Flames are keeping Markstrom for the rest of the season

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Time for a poll?

If a good deal is there to move Markstrom, should they move him? Yes or No

What constitutes as a good deal? For me it has to have a young centre in the package

[Goriders]

My take is they don’t want to be a full on garbage bottom feeder. Minus markstrom they might be.

They are going to have cap room in the summer and I think they are going to use it. All of the malcontents have been purged. They got younger. Retool a bit and try again.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What constitutes as a good deal? For me it has to have a young centre in the package

That or a mid-first I'd say. Of course both would be amazing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What constitutes as a good deal? For me it has to have a young centre in the package

For a soon to be 35 year old goalie?

Any examples of this type of return for any goalie ever?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Goriders

My take is they don’t want to be a full on garbage bottom feeder. Minus markstrom they might be.

They are going to have cap room in the summer and I think they are going to use it. All of the malcontents have been purged. They got younger. Retool a bit and try again.

They need to be though or next years pick thanks to Brad is as good as gone.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Goriders

My take is they don’t want to be a full on garbage bottom feeder. Minus markstrom they might be.

They are going to have cap room in the summer and I think they are going to use it. All of the malcontents have been purged. They got younger. Retool a bit and try again.

This is the worse possible decision the team can make

It will guarantee they go no where and in 5 years are forced to bottom out

Probably what they will chose to do 😏

[Burning Beard]

Conroy has been in a hell of a lot more NHL dressing rooms than I have (and anyone on here for that matter) so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Just because he isn't stripping the team to the bare bones doesn't mean that he is making a mistake. I've liked what he has done so far and he really seems to have a handle on where players are at and what is needed in the room for now and in the future.

It's going to get really tiring seeing the "he isn't rebuilding the exact way I would rebuild" posts on here. He walked into a mess and has been the GM for not even a full season yet. I'm glad he is willing to listen to offers on Markstrom but I'm also glad he is balancing that by noticing what Markstrom is in the room and needing a sufficient offer to move him. Not a single poster knows for sure what the offer was for him but there sure has been a lot of assumptions.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's not a pending UFA. Conroy promised he wasn't walking players to UFA, and he has a year to make that happen with Markstrom.

Two years. He might be passing up a good time to get maximum value for Markstrom but he should feel no pressure at all trying to trade him.

If teams want Markstrom so bad then pay up.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Goriders

My take is they don’t want to be a full on garbage bottom feeder. Minus markstrom they might be.

They are going to have cap room in the summer and I think they are going to use it. All of the malcontents have been purged. They got younger. Retool a bit and try again.

What goes into their thinking though? Why not a bottom feeder? If he gets you back a mid first, good prospect and a B prospect over the long term it’s much more valuable than having him for two years just to be in the middle and hurting your own draft pick. He’s not the only goaltender who can train Wolf, out there. Again I don’t know the full story but it’s very short sighted to play him out when you want higher calibre young guys, and he can’t get you some great future pieces.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Time for a poll?

If a good deal is there to move Markstrom, should they move him? Yes or No

a better poll would be to grade it - Where are you on this scale?:

yes, but only for a great deal
yes, for a good deal
yes, even for an ok deal
yes, even for a weak deal
yes, for anything
No!

[shniper]

Originally Posted by DSIM420

If Markstrom takes this team to the playoffs his value is going to be higher then it is now.

lol. Thanks for the laugh, bud.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What constitutes as a good deal? For me it has to have a young centre in the package

That's up to the team. If they determine the trade is good enough to make a deal should they do it or should they sit on Markstrom. Let's not make this complicated. Obviously they were really really close. Should they pass that opportunity up and sit on Markstrom or should they make the deal?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Royle9

They need to be though or next years pick thanks to Brad is as good as gone.

Oh well.

Check out attendance in places like SJ and Anahiem. Then do the math against our attendance for 41 games. Use a $125 average ticket.

Comes out to $20,500,000. That’s why they aren’t going to be unwatchable on purpose. That’s not including concessions and parking ect.

It’s a lot of cash.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This is the worse possible decision the team can make

It will guarantee they go no where and in 5 years are forced to bottom out

Probably what they will chose to do 😏

They will never take that path on purpose.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Or keeping a player who can keep you from
Drafting your next franchise player

All these trade are to add bullets and depth to the organization . But you need some top draft picks to rebuild the high end talent pool of this team

This year is another missed opportunity to do it and pushing a proper rebuild out 1 year IMO

I am very happy with what Conroy is doing , but if (when) we finish 13-16th it will hurt long term . This is why you can’t half arse a rebuild . You need to refresh the top end talent and hoping for diamonds in the rough isn’t how you do it

Get the top players with top picks , and hope you find a diamond or 2 in the rough to add to the high drafted core

I been saying this all year, it would be better to get a lessor return if we got deals done sooner and ended up with a top pick. Patience has us picking outside the top 10 now. It's not impossible to build a contender without a top 5 pick, but you need to be drafting better than anyone else and you need some big time home run picks if you miss out on getting the top picks.

Teams that get the top picks need to manage their team well, but they have all the same opportunities to hit some home runs with late picks too but also have way less pressure as they are very likley adding stars with their top picks.

Sure, the Flames are better than teams that are in full tank mode, but a big part of our success this year are on declining assets. Weegar, Coleman, Markstrom, Kadri they aren't getting better, and we can only hope they maintain for long enough that we can trade them, or we are on the rise again and they can contribute. IMO if you can add assets for these guys you take the risk out of them declining before we are stuck with them again.

Teams that are in full tank right now have Bedard, Carlsson, Fantilli, W Smith and have similar prospect pools not including the stars listed already.

I love what Conroy has done; he's sold near a playoff spot which never happens for the Flames. But we need to keep it going, Markstrom likely is a Flames in October next year if we don't trade him this deadline. We will be too good for a top pick again next year if we do that or he plays terrible, and we can't move him.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

For a soon to be 35 year old goalie?

Any examples of this type of return for any goalie ever?

30-year-old Darcy Kuemper was traded in 21-22 for:
Connor Timmins, 2022 1st, 2024 3rd

That's the closest comparable I can find. Kuemper had a .907 sv% and a 2.36 GAA that season.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by bluejays

What goes into their thinking though? Why not a bottom feeder? If he gets you back a mid first, good prospect and a B prospect over the long term it’s much more valuable than having him for two years just to be in the middle and hurting your own draft pick. He’s not the only goaltender who can train Wolf, out there. Again I don’t know the full story but it’s very short sighted to play him out when you want higher calibre young guys, and he can’t get you some great future pieces.

See above.

How many young guys do you need?

How much of an overhaul do you need? There’s almost no one on the roster that was around 3 years ago.

You can’t just dump half the team every year and expect to have any consistency. At some point they have to show some loyalty to the roster as well. Who would want to join a revolving door? Your team isn’t going to be formed 100% from the draft.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Oh well.

Check out attendance in places like SJ and Anahiem. Then do the math against our attendance for 41 games. Use a $125 average ticket.

Comes out to $20,500,000. That’s why they aren’t going to be unwatchable on purpose. That’s not including concessions and parking ect.

It’s a lot of cash.

That’s what’s wrong with the Flames franchise in a nutshell
Not about winning, not about putting a good product on the ice.

It’s all about the revenue, and why it’s essentially our fault for being fans and continuing to buy tickets and overpriced beers!

Sucks to care.

[howard_the_duck]

It’s nothing to get bent out of shape about, whether this is factual or posturing.

I’m sure Conroy and the Flames have a very good pulse on the Markstrom market, now and heading into the offseason. If he’s not moved, they have their reasons.

Conroy has shown with this year’s moves where the franchise is headed, and it’s a direction I can get behind. If they hang on to Markstrom, he’s earned my trust that the return isn’t right and it’s for the betterment of the franchise that we hang on to him for the time being.

[Owen15]

The fundamental problem with making this move is that New Jersey is on the outside of the playoffs looking in. They won’t mortgage the farm. If they were middle of the playoff pack I think they’d think this might push them over. If they give up an overpay for Markstrom and it doesn’t work out it’s a catastrophe.