[Rumour] Flames are keeping Markstrom for the rest of the season

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What makes you think either of them would be interested in coming here?

Chance to have a bigger role (play more games) as a 1/1A combined with more money (they're making peanuts now) along with a full NMC and the promise that we'll try to move them to a contender if they want to chase a cup.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Only offering 2 1st round picks? Or a choice between the 2?

I think both. But I think the Flames want a player as they are going for the retool over rebuild. Assuming Markstrom on NJ makes them a true contender, how valuable are 25-32 picks next year and the following?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

While it might be ideal to trade Markstrom now while his value is high and a couple of teams have a serious need, why do we just assume that there will never be another situation where a team needs a goalie in the next 2 years? Did anyone see a team like New Jersey desperate for a goalie at the start of this year? In the last off-season?

Why do we assume that Markstrom's value will be crappy going forward? Other than a year where he was having a baby and Sutter was playing mind games with everyone, he's been solid if not spectacular. Other than the normal worries about injury or slightly declining, this seems like a lot of unnecessary hand wringing.

Seems like all of these thoughts about what a mistake this is are predicated off of a lot of assumptions and speculation, rather than hard evidence to suggest these things are true. We don't know the future. Chill.

From what we can gather, Conroy's M.O. is about doing right by the organization, but also doing right by his players. A G.M. that cares a lot about the guys he employs is a sign of good leadership and culture building. Being ruthless is fine if you're behind a keyboard or watching the games from the stands, but it neglects the human element in trading players. If Markstrom doesn't want to move unless it's a good situation for him, Conroy should honor that, if for no other reason than Markstrom has a NMC. Plus, Markstrom has done everything asked of him and more, especially this year, all with a good attitude despite trade rumors swirling. How can you not take care of a guy like that?

If the offers aren't there, pull the asset off the table. It will also serve notice that the next time you negotiate with Craig, you need to find a way to meet the ask or don't bother negotiating. To me, that's good to see because it shows he will not just take whatever you offer just to make a deal.

I would have loved to see the N.J. deal happen, but clearly the ask wasn't met, and there aren't a lot of places out there that fit the criteria:
-need a goalie desperately
-have assets to give
-are willing to meet the ask
-is a destination Markstrom would waive for.

It was always going to be a tough ask to trade Markstrom. I don't think any of us expected it to happen this year. The plan to move a goalie for Wolf always meant Vladar. I don't fully understand why we all expect this to happen now when there are so many factors going against it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The offseason teams won't have to spend a 1st and Holtz, they can just use cap space to sign someone.

Would anyone here be excited if the Flames in the 2020 off season traded a 1st and Zary for Markstrom?

There are no pressure points in the offseason as well, and it pretty much goes dead in mid July and August.

Cap space to sign who? Who is going to a UFA goalie of the calibre of Jacob Markstrom? Nobody. Sure, you can sign a lesser goalie but then you are just spinning your wheels again.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Chance to have a bigger role (play more games) as a 1/1A combined with more money (they're making peanuts now) along with a full NMC and the promise that we'll try to move them to a contender if they want to chase a cup.

Teams without a #1 goalie are rarely contenders to begin with. And we really have no idea that either Quick or Fleury has any interest in mentoring a younger goalie.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

Not trying to be an insider or anything but I have heard from a reliable source NJ was only offering their 2025 and 2026 1sts nothing more.

Honestly I would take that deal, probably no retention or very little, makes room for wolf, who knows what happens that year maybe markstrom craps out and new jersey misses the playoffs.

This opportunity should be taken now, no one knows what the future will hold

[Pekkerhead]

We have no idea what NJ offered and obviously it wasn’t something that would make us materially better. Conroy has proven that he’s not afraid to make moves that help the team. Let’s have some faith in him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Cap space to sign who? Who is going to a UFA goalie of the calibre of Jacob Markstrom? Nobody. Sure, you can sign a lesser goalie but then you are just spinning your wheels again.

Teams will value their young assets and draft picks, and would rather spend cap space on a stop gap for 1-2 years of goalies in the same age range as Markstrom.

People are acting like this is a vezina winning 27 year old in his prime elite goalie up for grabs.

How would you feel if the Flames started trading top end young players and 1st round picks for a soon to be 35 year old goalie who has had some injury issues and a up and down time with the team?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Cap space to sign who? Who is going to a UFA goalie of the calibre of Jacob Markstrom? Nobody. Sure, you can sign a lesser goalie but then you are just spinning your wheels again.

What Jacob Markstrom?

2023/24 or 2022/23?

2021/22 or 2020/21?

Because you can be spinning your wheels again with a 35 year old Markstrom in net next season anyways.

I would much rather have Holtz + 1st or 2 1sts if we are going to spinning our wheels anyways, and there is probably at least a 30% chance of that even if Markstrom were to stay.

The best thing for the long term future of this team (2+ years out) is to maximize the value of the asset that is Jacob Markstrom, and the best way to do that is by trading him to a desperate Devils team.

[browntrout]

Like I do not understand this philosophy, the whole idea was to clear room for wolf, this team ain't making the #$_&@& playoffs, take a first round pick, and stop being greedy...geez

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

None of those goaltenders were over the age of 30, and I'd argue NJ 1st + Holtz trumps all of those.

Definitely, I think getting a 1st is feasible, getting a top end prospect along with the pick is reaching.

Although if the Flames retain salary...

[nixon45]

I really don't like this idea.

[RedHawk12]

Wrong thread

[Monahammer]

We can't be sure a 1st was even offered.

Originally Posted by browntrout

Like I do not understand this philosophy, the whole idea was to clear room for wolf, this team ain't making the #$_&@& playoffs, take a first round pick, and stop being greedy...geez

[Freddy]

I respect the decision to hold on to Marky. Seemed like a low move to try to circumvent the No Movement clause negotiated in good faith in the contract. There is still plenty of opportunity to trade him before his contract expires.

[taxbuster]

I have been - and I continue to be absolutely and totally gobsmacked by people who suggest that Conny "should just trade Markstrom".

He can't.

Marky has an NMC and it is TOTALLY HIS DECISION as to whether he can be traded (or even wants to be) or not.

Maybe the message is "We're honouring a contract to which we are a party."

It might be tempered by "Marky has indicated that, if someone overpays massively and that deal is acceptable to the GM and the Flames, he'll.....CONSIDER.....waiving. But it is HIS decision, and we are happy to honour that regardless of circumstances. And right now he's playing well and the team loves him."


Wow. Just....wow.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Sample00

This team wants to be competitive when the doors open on the new rink.

Then they should start buying

[flambers]

Personally I don't understand the rational to keep him the rest of the season

If that's the case, I would not be shocked if he was still a Flame for the start of next season

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Then they should start buying

In 3 years maybe, i.e. retooling and not rebuilding

I would bet the master plan is to be competitive when it opens

[browntrout]

Like does anyone really believe this retool will work....the team probably won't make the playoffs this year, so then we start unloading UFA's, but somehow will be a very good team in just a few years?....but our starting goaltender who is blocking the best goalie prospect outside of the NHL is untouchable....that makes sense