02-29-2024, 01:52 PM
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#61
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I guess the message is "we'll trade who we have to, but we still believe in the players remaining in the room"?
I don't know.
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02-29-2024, 01:53 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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If Markstrom wants to finish out the season a Flame I'm okay with that as it's probably the right thing to do in that case. They traded their top center and two of their top 5 defensemen with another to be moved next week. I'm pretty sure the locker room got the message a long time ago so that comment about wanting to send the right message is kind of silly. The players fully know the business as teams do this every season.
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02-29-2024, 01:54 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Guys like Talbot will be available for free, and save similar save % and a lot of team play tandems anyways.
You think New Jersey is going to increase their offer in the offseason for a 34 year old goalie?
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No idea - they might. Goalies frequently play into their late 30s at a very high level if they haven’t sustained major leg injuries.
I like Talbot, but New Jersey’s problem is that they don’t have a true #1 goalie worthy of the rest of their roster.
Talbot doesn’t solve that. Their players aren’t going to stand up like “holy ####, we got Talbs? Let’s ride!”
Markstrom is the exact sort of addition that will jumpstart their season and propel them into next year with momentum.
Ullmark is going to cost even more than Markstrom, if Boston wants to trade him to someone they could see four times a year plus playoffs.
There’s no not paying for quality. Marty Broduer is saying they need a franchise goalie.
He wasn’t talking about Cam Talbot.
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02-29-2024, 01:56 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Pas, MB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
What is the message in it anyways? The players aren't dumb they can see what his happening, we are trading away all our UFA players for picks and prospects not roster players.
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This is only half true.
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02-29-2024, 01:56 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Guys like Talbot will be available for free, and save similar save % and a lot of team play tandems anyways.
You think New Jersey is going to increase their offer in the offseason for a 34 year old goalie?
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There's not only an offseason but all of next season to the TDL as well. Flames can wait for the best deal to come along. Some otehr team will be just like NJ or even more desperate.
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02-29-2024, 01:57 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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It’s probably just posturing.
We don’t really know that Holtz and a 1st were offered.
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02-29-2024, 01:58 PM
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#67
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Franchise Player
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Lame.
Markstrom should be traded as soon as possible. Given his age, contract status, organizational depth and direction I don’t think Markstrom is a good fit for the Flames.
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02-29-2024, 01:59 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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The dude has to go. Today, next week, this summer...the sooner the better.
There's absolutely no benefit to being a middling team, and the reality is that with the 2024 draft pick situation that Treliving got us into, this team would do well to suck, and suck hard, next year. Markstrom is just too good for this team right now...he probably already cost us 3-5 draft spots this year...let's not shoot ourselves in the foot next year as well.
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02-29-2024, 01:59 PM
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#69
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Do we really think that the GM that has moved Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm and Tanev for futures this year is now cratering his asset value to send a message?
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Sure hope not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I think we can assume this is either posturing, or they honestly believe they will get more value in the summer, no?
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Sure hope so.
Burke let Cammy walk for nothing so that he could buttress his own ego in the name of "message sending" so who knows?
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02-29-2024, 01:59 PM
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#70
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
There's not only an offseason but all of next season to the TDL as well. Flames can wait for the best deal to come along. Some otehr team will be just like NJ or even more desperate.
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That's assuming he plays at this level next year.
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02-29-2024, 02:01 PM
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#71
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Powerplay Quarterback
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The Fourth Period folks are looking for clicks during the TDL, go figure.
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02-29-2024, 02:01 PM
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#72
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
That's assuming he plays at this level next year.
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... or down the stretch with the teams shutdown pairing being dealt..
It's very possible the best offer was tabled weeks ago.
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02-29-2024, 02:01 PM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
That's assuming he plays at this level next year.
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Its a decent assumption. He's had one non-injury affected off year in his whole career.
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02-29-2024, 02:02 PM
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#74
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Franchise Player
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‘Sounds like X.’ What was said that sounds like X, and who said it?
‘The Flames are telling people Y.’ Who are these people?
With attributions that vague, this sounds like someone is playing a game of telephone while waiting in the Orange Julius line. I'm really not buying it.
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02-29-2024, 02:06 PM
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#75
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First Line Centre
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I heard some speculation on a podcast last week (maybe the one with Warrener in it) that the Flames might be better off waiting for the off season because there would be more teams that could fit the contract. There just weren't a ton of teams looking to add a big salaried goalie right now.
Perhaps they know something.
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02-29-2024, 02:07 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
There's not only an offseason but all of next season to the TDL as well. Flames can wait for the best deal to come along. Some otehr team will be just like NJ or even more desperate.
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Keeping Markstrom into the next season is a lose/lose for the Flames imo. If one continues to dominate then he can push their pick into the danger territory for Montreal and if he regresses then his value will decrease.
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02-29-2024, 02:10 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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This would be the wrong move. We need to sell high, unless the return is actually terrible.
All keeping Markstrom would do, with his play so far, is keep us in that dreaded 9th overall spot that we are all so used to.
Last edited by JurassicTunga12; 02-29-2024 at 02:12 PM.
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02-29-2024, 02:11 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
This would be the wrong move, unless the return is actually terrible.
All keeping Markstrom would do, with his play so far, is keep us in that dreaded 9th overall spot that we are all so used to.
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Markstrom isn't Superman. He's not doing that with the D gutted.
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02-29-2024, 02:14 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I'm perfectly fine with this.
Either pay the price or get lost. He's under contract, there is no 'ticking clock' to get rid of him like the UFAs.
He has never asked to leave, never pouted and never been negative.
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02-29-2024, 02:14 PM
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#80
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Scoring Winger
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Don't mind keeping Markstrom at all if the bait isn't good enough. There is something to be said for keeping a piece or 2 that can keep the team competitive and create a positive environment for the youth on the team.
Besides... the assets acquired for Zadarov, Lindholm, and Hanifin will already be a pretty good sell off.
Not like Markstrom can't be dealt later. Seems to make sense to me.
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