[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do you assume that? Recent history shows the bigger fish get snapped up in the weeks before the deadline, and the deadline itself mainly sees bargain shopping for the leftovers.

The Flames would have circled back to every team interested in Tanev and told them they had a final chance to up their offers. Evidently, they didn’t. Unless they thought Conroy was bluffing, why would these teams not give him their genuine best offer?

My guess is the Flames really want Grubnikov


Otherwise the 2nd is guaranteed from someone

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Any explanations on why the Flames didn’t retain the whole thing and get the extra 4th pick? Only few weeks left.

it's not allowed. A team can only retain 50% max, a second team can then retain another 25% max. But a team can't retain 75% on its own. Calgary retained the max amount possible

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes I saw that, just got home and read the title of this thread and thought NJ retained 75%

Any explanations on why the Flames didn’t retain the whole thing and get the extra 4th pick? Only few weeks left.

They retained the maximum allowed 50%. Bringing in a third team allows for extra retention.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Any explanations on why the Flames didn’t retain the whole thing and get the extra 4th pick? Only few weeks left.

The maximum you can retain on a contract is 50%. Hence Jersey being involved.

[CalgaryFan1988]

The title should be changed to just the 50 percent retention. The other 25 percent has nothing to do with Calgary. It's clearly confusing some people for nothing.

[devo22]

also patiently waiting for the Cole Brady "Forever a Flame" tribute video. Hope AC is already on it.

[GioforPM]

I’d like to see the actual flow chart of this trade, because NJ must have officially had Tanev for a moment in order to retain salary because I don’t think trading part of a salary is allowed. So Flames grade Tanev 50% retained to NJ at some point, but got what in return? “Future considerations”? Then NJ trades Tanev 25% retained for to Dallas for a 4th round pick and all the other assets that then get moved to got Calgary as the “future considerations”? Is that how it worked?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’d like to see the actual flow chart of this trade, because NJ must have officially had Tanev for a moment in order to retain salary because I don’t think trading part of a salary is allowed. So Flames grade Tanev 50% retained to NJ at some point, but got what in return? “Future considerations”? Then NJ trades Tanev 25% retained for to Dallas for a 4th round pick and all the other assets that then get moved to got Calgary as the “future considerations”? Is that how it worked?

I think you're over-complicating things. It's a 3-way trade, not 2 separate trades. This has also been done before.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The title should be changed to just the 50 percent retention. The other 25 percent has nothing to do with Calgary. It's clearly confusing some people for nothing.

Technically did NJ retain 50% of what Tanev’s existing cap was after Calgary’s 50%? For a total of 75% of the complete hit?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Technically did NJ retain 50% of what Tanev’s existing cap was after Calgary’s 50%? For a total of 75% of the complete hit?

Yes, Calgary retained 50 percent and then NJ retained 50 percent of the remaining. And yes I understand what you are saying in your OP, but the NHL has never really looked into it that deep.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I think you're over-complicating things. It's a 3-way trade, not 2 separate trades. This has also been done before.

Even in three way trades the player has to technically pass through another team in order to make the retention work. CF usually has it broken down well so I will re-look at it. last night they were scrambling.

EDIT - yeah, they have Tanev first traded to NJ and then Dallas. But nothing form NJ goes to Calgary on their description.

I still think it’s interesting that Dallas needed 75% off - they must have plans to max their cap with another trade.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I think you're over-complicating things. It's a 3-way trade, not 2 separate trades. This has also been done before.

It's actually 3 separate trades from a technical perspective.

Calgary trades Tanev (50% retention) to New Jersey for Cole Brady

New Jersey trades Tanev (retaining 50% of remaining salary) to Dallas for a 4th round pick.

Dallas trades 2024 2nd, Grushnikov, Conditional 3rd to Calgary for Cole Brady

So not like a 3 way trade, because the way retention rules work it has to get filed as 3 separate trades.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Devil's advocate — if Dallas is willing to cut bait with Grushnikov without seeing him in the NHL, they might not be thrilled with what they think they had.

Sure. That’s why they cut ties with Iginla before seeing him in the NHL.

Perhaps, just perhaps, they gave up something they liked for something they needed now.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Technically did NJ retain 50% of what Tanev’s existing cap was after Calgary’s 50%? For a total of 75% of the complete hit?

yeah this is it. There can be retention on a contract twice, and the max is half of the remaining cap hit.

Team A trades the player to team B and retains 50% of the whole contract
Team B trades the player to team C and retains 50% of the remaining contract (= 25%)

that's exactly what happened here and it's the maximum allowed per CBA.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's actually 3 separate trades from a technical perspective.

Calgary trades Tanev (50% retention) to New Jersey for Cole Brady

New Jersey trades Tanev (retaining 50% of remaining salary) to Dallas for a 4th round pick.

Dallas trades 2024 2nd, Grushnikov, Conditional 3rd to Calgary for Cole Brady

So not like a 3 way trade, because the way retention rules work it has to get filed as 3 separate trades.

If you want to get technical, sure. Now people can complain we only got Brady for a 50 percent retained Tanev. Great

Conroy got a haul for Brady though.

[GioforPM]

Cole Brady can put down on his resume that he got traded for a second rounder and Gru. Nice.

While Tanev has to put down that he got traded for Cole Brady and then the team was so unhappy they dropped him for a 4th rounder.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If you want to get technical, sure. Now people can complain we only got Brady for a 50 percent retained Tanev. Great

Conroy got a haul for Brady though.

That was what the question from GioforPM was though, that they wanted to see the flow chart of the trade, and you said they were over complicating it.

They weren't, the way the trade is filed with the NHL is as three separate trades.

[Boumsalot]

The conditions on the 3rd make this a win for Dallas imo.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I don’t see any view point other than it’s a clear win for both teams.

[Boumsalot]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t see any view point other than it’s a clear win for both teams.

That man has no god damn teeth and the best we can do is a 2nd and c prospect.