If Tanev alone wasn't quite worth a first, I would have preferred Tanev + up to a 3rd for a 1st straight up.
We have a good collection of late picks from earlier trades, may as well upgrade them for the best chance of all star players not ones that might become 6th string D
Tanev played in an SCF final in his rookie year. And that was 13 years ago.
Before that he was undrafted and bounced around the Canucks minor league system before and after this.
There really is no comparison trying to peg this acquisition in comparison to him. Each injury, callup, demotion, shaped Tanev into who he became and the player he is today.
Whatever, I'll say it, was a second rounder, probably in the mid 20s, and a mid level prospect, and a long shot 3rd rounder that won't be a Flames player until they move into a rink that shovels have yet to hit the ground for, with salary retention, the best Conroy could do in 7-9 days from now? Rhetorical question because we will never know.
And, for a player who didn't want to go anywhere, playing well for the team and a vital peice that kept the entire defensive system calm for his 3.75 seasons here.
You'd think that some team would pony up a 1st rounder.
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This isn't true. The 4th round in particular is shockingly good. Nearly as good as the third round. And for some reason, the 6th round is better than the 5th round.
In 2015, 28 players taken in the 4th and 5th rounds have played in the NHL. Nearly half.
The first 6 rounds definitely have value.
I'm generally with you - was just responding tongue in cheek to the posted tweet. I'm for getting the picks and making the picks. What else can you do? They have value primarily because there is no useful/effective alternative to making the picks... of course you make the picks.
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Just for fun: from the loose stats I can find, ~1 in 8 players drafted in the 3rd round go on to play 99 games or more, and the odds get worse as the rounds go.
So if a 3rd round with 32 picks (just for easy math) has on average 4 players hiding in it (1 in 8 chance) that will play 99 games or more, and you have 1 pick out of that 30... yeah the odds aren't great. In any other profession, you sell that opportunity to the buyer.
If Tanev alone wasn't quite worth a first, I would have preferred Tanev + up to a 3rd for a 1st straight up.
We have a good collection of late picks from earlier trades, may as well upgrade them for the best chance of all star players not ones that might become 6th string D
can still do that at the draft table, when all the picks are known
I think I'm fairly even on the deal? Hard not to have been a bit hyped prior to anything being done with the high picks and top prospects being thrown around, but selfishly, I'm glad he was the first to go. Literally every time he was out there, it was fingers crossed he doesn't take a puck to the knee or something.
Another thing to consider, it was clear Tanev wanted to go to a contender and Dallas is certainly one of those. Perhaps there were other, maybe even better, deals out there but Connie did him a solid and didn't send him to some middling team (ie. the stink up north).
Hopefully keeps it open for a potential "home-town" deal in the summer. Wouldn't mind having him back say 3x3 or something.
If Tanev alone wasn't quite worth a first, I would have preferred Tanev + up to a 3rd for a 1st straight up.
We have a good collection of late picks from earlier trades, may as well upgrade them for the best chance of all star players not ones that might become 6th string D
It seldom works that way.
The value of a first is so high that adding a 3rd does not upgrade a 2nd to a first.
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Hate to see him go but glad they were able to trade him before he stepped in front of a freight train or blocked another cannon ball at close range and became un-tradeable.
How did they rate the Toffoli trade? Pretty much the same way IIRC.
Yup. Also, the Tanev trade grades were written by Sean Gentille and Shayna Goldman. Not exactly master talent evaluators. I’d take it with a few grains of salt.
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Wonder if any of Bichsel, Kyrou, Minnetian, Bertucci were available for a lesser draft pick. Or if the Flames scouts were just that high on Grushnikov.
I would rather have had a 6th round pick than a conditional 3rd round pick that has an 87% chance of being nothing.
Mostly because the Flames seem to have bad luck when it comes these conditions.
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I don't like the return much... Maybe, because everyone out there was pumping up the value to be 1st++, or maybe, because I liked Tanev's work ethics so much and how much he was bringing to the team each and every game. But he's 34 and this team is not going anywhere anytime soon. And if there were better offers, Conroy would have taken them. And it's only a few days left to do it... I guess I'm talking myself into liking it. But I still don't.
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I would rather have had a 6th round pick than a conditional 3rd round pick that has an 87% chance of being nothing.
Mostly because the Flames seem to have bad luck when it comes these conditions.
Especially since we'll be beating them in the WCF to get to the SCF
From what Conroy said it sounds like this was a management team decision. They all watched the player and made the decision together that this was the best fit. I'm sure they watched other players too but you have to like the fact that Conroy let the management team, scouts make the decision.
This wasn't Conroy sitting in the office alone, so we had a number of people who liked what they saw on this player, then you had the Dallas GM saying this was a really hard decision for them to let this player go.
Seems like lately the Flames "team" is hitting their targets with decent results.
Interesting that by involving NJ, who apparently had qualms about retention value in a potential Markstrom trade, that we can now say that 1.2 million is worth a 4th. What’s 50% of Markstroms salary over 2+ years worth now?
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