2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I like Holtz more than Mercer by a hair to be honest.

What kind of a hair?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

What kind of a hair?

A-hair, C-hair or the very uncomfortable P-hair

[dissentowner]

Ok. I will start with Markstrom. I am told the deal with the Devils was not as close as Mr. Seravalli likes to say it was. Yes, there was an agreement on most aspects of the deal but the hang up with the Devils is not about retention or even the compensation for that retention, it is the difference between Holtz and Mercer. Holtz is the main piece that the Devils are dangling in a goalie trade, the Flames are insistent on Mercer. I know the Devils did reach out to the Predators about Saros to see if there was a deal there and they are in the same mindset, Mercer has to be in the deal. The Devils absolutely want Markstrom over any other netminder but they are at a stalemate here and unless the Devils budge it isn't getting done. I have maintained all along it will take an overpay to get Conroy to move Marky and that won't change, he feels no pressure to deal Markstrom right now. I also mentioned the Devils were looking for another piece and we all speculated Rooney but I think that other piece might be Hanifin as I am told there is multiple packages they have discussed, that could be why Sec said it was complex.

As for Hanifin there are 4 teams he will do a sign and trade to or will sign an extension with, Tampa Bay, Florida, Boston, and New Jersey. The team he wants to go to is not Tampa Bay as was reported by someone else, it is the Panthers. Him and Chucky are very close and Tkachuk is pushing hard over there to get a deal done for him. The problem is similar to the Mercer-Markstrom situation only its Lundell, the Panthers are saying no on him right now. I am hearing TB does not want to include their 2026 1st so I can't see them being in it as they have no assets of interest to the Flames. I don't think there is any legs to Hanifin going to Dallas, I am sure they have seen what the price tag is for both D men but they are hot on Tanev. Boston is also pretty cold on Hanifin, they know the clock is running out on this group soon and they are already low on future assets. They don't want to go any deeper there and while Hanifin would be nice to have he is not a desperate need for them. If he gets to market then they can look at him when it doesn't cost them. As for the Devils like I said, I believe they have talked to the Flames about a package deal, I don't see NJ going out to just get Hanifin alone. Right now if I was a betting man I would put my money on Conroy holding out until Florida budges.

Chris Tanev has a boatload of interest with Dallas leading the charge. Despite the risk he could get hurt, Conroy will continue to slow play this player right until the deadline or someone offers a 1st rnd pick. The thing is with Conroy I could see him start to get offers with a 1st included and despite the risk I could see him still delaying to try and squeeze just a bit more from someone. Of all our assets I feel like this one could take the longest that will move.

As for others I have heard teams have poked around Vladar but nothing offered and Mangiapane is very open to being moved but there is no interest from anybody there.

All I have right now guys, have fun discussing.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Kyrou already has the long term contract and franchise money though. Why not move Thomas as well if they are going to do a tear down.

Because Kyrou is incredibly frustrating.

Guy has all the talent in the world but continues to get benched for lackluster effort.

If he found a coach that he actually clicked with and found a way to get more effort out of Kryou then he would be a 90 point player.

[browntrout]

Got to say this feels like it is really dragging on in a weird way...find it hard to believe that teams have not offered 1st round picks for tanev/hanifin since it's a seller's market and there are such few reliable d-man available. Conroy is one injury away from instant regret

[CF84]

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok. I will start with Markstrom. I am told the deal with the Devils was not as close as Mr. Seravalli likes to say it was. Yes, there was an agreement on most aspects of the deal but the hang up with the Devils is not about retention or even the compensation for that retention, it is the difference between Holtz and Mercer. Holtz is the main piece that the Devils are dangling in a goalie trade, the Flames are insistent on Mercer. I know the Devils did reach out to the Predators about Saros to see if there was a deal there and they are in the same mindset, Mercer has to be in the deal. The Devils absolutely want Markstrom over any other netminder but they are at a stalemate here and unless the Devils budge it isn't getting done. I have maintained all along it will take an overpay to get Conroy to move Marky and that won't change, he feels no pressure to deal Markstrom right now. I also mentioned the Devils were looking for another piece and we all speculated Rooney but I think that other piece might be Hanifin as I am told there is multiple packages they have discussed, that could be why Sec said it was complex.

As for Hanifin there are 4 teams he will do a sign and trade to or will sign an extension with, Tampa Bay, Florida, Boston, and New Jersey. The team he wants to go to is not Tampa Bay as was reported by someone else, it is the Panthers. Him and Chucky are very close and Tkachuk is pushing hard over there to get a deal done for him. The problem is similar to the Mercer-Markstrom situation only its Lundell, the Panthers are saying no on him right now. I am hearing TB does not want to include their 2026 1st so I can't see them being in it as they have no assets of interest to the Flames. I don't think there is any legs to Hanifin going to Dallas, I am sure they have seen what the price tag is for both D men but they are hot on Tanev. Boston is also pretty cold on Hanifin, they know the clock is running out on this group soon and they are already low on future assets. They don't want to go any deeper there and while Hanifin would be nice to have he is not a desperate need for them. If he gets to market then they can look at him when it doesn't cost them. As for the Devils like I said, I believe they have talked to the Flames about a package deal, I don't see NJ going out to just get Hanifin alone. Right now if I was a betting man I would put my money on Conroy holding out until Florida budges.

Chris Tanev has a boatload of interest with Dallas leading the charge. Despite the risk he could get hurt, Conroy will continue to slow play this player right until the deadline or someone offers a 1st rnd pick. The thing is with Conroy I could see him start to get offers with a 1st included and despite the risk I could see him still delaying to try and squeeze just a bit more from someone. Of all our assets I feel like this one could take the longest that will move.

As for others I have heard teams have poked around Vladar but nothing offered and Mangiapane is very open to being moved but there is no interest from anybody there.

All I have right now guys, have fun discussing.

Lol so they want vezina caliber goaltender and a #2 Dmen in his prime for garbage and no 1st rounders included. How do chariot/Mccabe and other #### Dmen go for 1st round picks yet this year it seems difficult.

[StrykerSteve]

Not many teams have the assets and cap space to bring in both a Markstrom and a Hanifin. The cost would be ridiculously high and would represent an all-in approach you’d have to respect.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Got to say this feels like it is really dragging on in a weird way...find it hard to believe that teams have not offered 1st round picks for tanev/hanifin since it's a seller's market and there are such few reliable d-man available. Conroy is one injury away from instant regret

This a weak mindset of someone who caves for the discount package out of fear.

In the game of thrones you win or you die!

[sa226]

I think it only feels like it's dragging because we're getting way more information than we usually do. These stalemate probably happen all the time without us knowing.

My one and only concern before the deadline is injuries.

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[Robbob]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Got to say this feels like it is really dragging on in a weird way...find it hard to believe that teams have not offered 1st round picks for tanev/hanifin since it's a seller's market and there are such few reliable d-man available. Conroy is one injury away from instant regret

That is just it though. Everyone is hoping Conroy blinks before the deadline, which is why they aren't offering. As we get closer to the deadline the teams are going to be the ones that panic because the runway is starting to run out.

I think part of the problem, from the fan perspective, is that Lindholm got done so quickly. That being said, Vancouver paid a premium to get it done early. Other GMs are clearly not at that point, yet.

[AC]

I'm fine with Conroy holding firm on Markstrom. Getting Mercer for him would be fantastic and should be the deciding factor. If NJ wants us to retain on top of that, there is a further asset cost (Seamus Casey was the rumour).

Hanifin to Florida for Lundell also sounds like a great target and return to prioritize.

Tanev for a 1st will get done and a team that needs him will regret not paying when they lose in the playoffs due to their defensive holes (see: Toronto).

If Conroy can pull it off and add Mercer and Lundell to this team's centre depth, plus a couple 1sts, and ideally adding Casey to last month's addition of Brzustewicz gives the team a couple lottery ticket offensive Dmen, it would be hard not to consider his 1st year a huge success in terms of asset management.

[dammage79]

Ugh, I know Mercer is ideal. I want him too. But Holtz is just as sexy a player to snag in a Markstrom trade.

Just depends on if the Flames can land a center in another trade.

Like a forward core moving into the building that has, Zary, Pelletier, Coronato, Pospisil, Holtz, and say a kid like Lundell? That's upside bonanza. Then you sprinkle in vets who feed off youth like Huberdeau and Kadri... that's a novel retool of the fw group.

I want this. So badly.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok. I will start with Markstrom. I am told the deal with the Devils was not as close as Mr. Seravalli likes to say it was. Yes, there was an agreement on most aspects of the deal but the hang up with the Devils is not about retention or even the compensation for that retention, it is the difference between Holtz and Mercer. Holtz is the main piece that the Devils are dangling in a goalie trade, the Flames are insistent on Mercer. I know the Devils did reach out to the Predators about Saros to see if there was a deal there and they are in the same mindset, Mercer has to be in the deal. The Devils absolutely want Markstrom over any other netminder but they are at a stalemate here and unless the Devils budge it isn't getting done. I have maintained all along it will take an overpay to get Conroy to move Marky and that won't change, he feels no pressure to deal Markstrom right now. I also mentioned the Devils were looking for another piece and we all speculated Rooney but I think that other piece might be Hanifin as I am told there is multiple packages they have discussed, that could be why Sec said it was complex.

As for Hanifin there are 4 teams he will do a sign and trade to or will sign an extension with, Tampa Bay, Florida, Boston, and New Jersey. The team he wants to go to is not Tampa Bay as was reported by someone else, it is the Panthers. Him and Chucky are very close and Tkachuk is pushing hard over there to get a deal done for him. The problem is similar to the Mercer-Markstrom situation only its Lundell, the Panthers are saying no on him right now. I am hearing TB does not want to include their 2026 1st so I can't see them being in it as they have no assets of interest to the Flames. I don't think there is any legs to Hanifin going to Dallas, I am sure they have seen what the price tag is for both D men but they are hot on Tanev. Boston is also pretty cold on Hanifin, they know the clock is running out on this group soon and they are already low on future assets. They don't want to go any deeper there and while Hanifin would be nice to have he is not a desperate need for them. If he gets to market then they can look at him when it doesn't cost them. As for the Devils like I said, I believe they have talked to the Flames about a package deal, I don't see NJ going out to just get Hanifin alone. Right now if I was a betting man I would put my money on Conroy holding out until Florida budges.

Chris Tanev has a boatload of interest with Dallas leading the charge. Despite the risk he could get hurt, Conroy will continue to slow play this player right until the deadline or someone offers a 1st rnd pick. The thing is with Conroy I could see him start to get offers with a 1st included and despite the risk I could see him still delaying to try and squeeze just a bit more from someone. Of all our assets I feel like this one could take the longest that will move.

As for others I have heard teams have poked around Vladar but nothing offered and Mangiapane is very open to being moved but there is no interest from anybody there.

All I have right now guys, have fun discussing.

That Markstrom discussion feels like a bit of a mistake to me...

When dealing with a team like Florida I understand really insisting that Lundell needs to be part of the trade for Hanifin, they just don't have enough tradeable assets that make sense.

But I don't feel the same for New Jersey at all on the Markstrom deal...the difference between Holtz and Mercer doesn't feel big enough to get in the way of making a trade (I feel that way for both sides TBH). Especially in a market where goalies can be harder to move at times.

If Holtz + 1st + other pieces are on the table then you work until it's done, I always worry a bit when GMs get too narrowly focused on one type of package or one player from a team and kind of lose sight of the overall value they are getting. (Reminds me of the Feaster "we needed to get 3 pieces" instead of just one good piece for Iginla).

Hanifin's market makes sense to me though...I had heard Boston, and Florida were the teams he was willing to extend with before, but New Jersey and Tampa are the new ones on the list and those both make sense too.

I don't see Tanev sitting out at all, but really the schedule is pretty light here over the next week and a bit prior to the deadline.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not to mention Poirer and Morin in our system already. Things start to look very bright.

[StrykerSteve]

A package like that likely would have to look something like this…

Mercer
Holtz
Vanecek
Casey
24 1st

For

Markstrom (50% retained)
Hanifin (extended 8 years)

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok. I will start with Markstrom. I am told the deal with the Devils was not as close as Mr. Seravalli likes to say it was. Yes, there was an agreement on most aspects of the deal but the hang up with the Devils is not about retention or even the compensation for that retention, it is the difference between Holtz and Mercer. Holtz is the main piece that the Devils are dangling in a goalie trade, the Flames are insistent on Mercer. I know the Devils did reach out to the Predators about Saros to see if there was a deal there and they are in the same mindset, Mercer has to be in the deal. The Devils absolutely want Markstrom over any other netminder but they are at a stalemate here and unless the Devils budge it isn't getting done. I have maintained all along it will take an overpay to get Conroy to move Marky and that won't change, he feels no pressure to deal Markstrom right now. I also mentioned the Devils were looking for another piece and we all speculated Rooney but I think that other piece might be Hanifin as I am told there is multiple packages they have discussed, that could be why Sec said it was complex.

As for Hanifin there are 4 teams he will do a sign and trade to or will sign an extension with, Tampa Bay, Florida, Boston, and New Jersey. The team he wants to go to is not Tampa Bay as was reported by someone else, it is the Panthers. Him and Chucky are very close and Tkachuk is pushing hard over there to get a deal done for him. The problem is similar to the Mercer-Markstrom situation only its Lundell, the Panthers are saying no on him right now. I am hearing TB does not want to include their 2026 1st so I can't see them being in it as they have no assets of interest to the Flames. I don't think there is any legs to Hanifin going to Dallas, I am sure they have seen what the price tag is for both D men but they are hot on Tanev. Boston is also pretty cold on Hanifin, they know the clock is running out on this group soon and they are already low on future assets. They don't want to go any deeper there and while Hanifin would be nice to have he is not a desperate need for them. If he gets to market then they can look at him when it doesn't cost them. As for the Devils like I said, I believe they have talked to the Flames about a package deal, I don't see NJ going out to just get Hanifin alone. Right now if I was a betting man I would put my money on Conroy holding out until Florida budges.

Chris Tanev has a boatload of interest with Dallas leading the charge. Despite the risk he could get hurt, Conroy will continue to slow play this player right until the deadline or someone offers a 1st rnd pick. The thing is with Conroy I could see him start to get offers with a 1st included and despite the risk I could see him still delaying to try and squeeze just a bit more from someone. Of all our assets I feel like this one could take the longest that will move.

As for others I have heard teams have poked around Vladar but nothing offered and Mangiapane is very open to being moved but there is no interest from anybody there.

All I have right now guys, have fun discussing.

Man it just feels that Conroy is really overplaying his hand and taking unnecessary risks. These reported deals move the needle in the right direction, and improves the prospect cupboard.

[Jiggy_12]

This is also Conroy's first time at the trade deadline dance. He very much wants and needs to maintain a position of strength to set the bar for how he will operate as a GM.

I am not saying let any assets walk, but he does need to keep this in mind when making his first league wide impression.

[Naitix]

Hard to see us getting a good return on Hanifin when the only team that really wants him that he is willing to extend with + has assets is Florida. Boston and Tampa have nothing to offer, Devils won't go for him unless it's paired with Markstrom.


Especially Florida being the team he most likely would sign in the off season with either way, hard to see them parting with Lundell

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

A package like that likely would have to look something like this…

Mercer
Holtz
Vanecek
Casey
24 1st

For

Markstrom (50% retained)
Hanifin (extended 8 years)

We have to be realistic. If Conroy was the one trading that package for Markstrom and Hanifin I bet a lot of people would be super upset.