[Signing] Patrick Kane to Detroit

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Kadris linemates helped him get out of it. He was one of our worst players last year and was pretty terrible to start this season too. Got the right mix and here we are.

Kadri started good last year until he quit on Sutter

He is playing better now but on pace for 57pts

If there is someone on the current roster that works for Huberdeau, Huska doesn’t seem to know

[The Cobra]

After starting the season rusty with 2 points in 6 games and a -7, Kane has 14 points in his next 12 games, and a +4.

Detroit has also climbed back into the wild card race with 5 wins in 7 games, as they sit 1 point out.

And before someone chimes in ..”but Huberdeau”, …Hubby has 8 points in his last 8 games, a +2, and the Flames have 6 wins in those 8 games.

So maybe, just maybe, both players have some hockey left in them.

[jayswin]

Paging TheScorpion!!

[transplant99]

I wonder if the Kane points are still "empty calorie" or if they are now somewhat nutritious?

[dobbles]

I need to amend my earlier statement. Kane has definitely not been the problem in Detroits struggles, but he has been a strong part of the solution. Alex Lyon has been looking strong these last couple weeks and his numbers are now significantly better than Reimer or Husso. Scoring goals has not been an issue for Detroit this year but Kane has definitely helped that out. Stopping goals has been their issue and while their defense is still rather porous, at least their goaltending has solidified. That has been the factor in their record turning back around. It is actually rather funny reading back through the posters that were just so obsessed with the Wings record the first few games after the signing. SO short sighted.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I need to amend my earlier statement. Kane has definitely not been the problem in Detroits struggles, but he has been a strong part of the solution. Alex Lyon has been looking strong these last couple weeks and his numbers are now significantly better than Reimer or Husso. Scoring goals has not been an issue for Detroit this year but Kane has definitely helped that out. Stopping goals has been their issue and while their defense is still rather porous, at least their goaltending has solidified. That has been the factor in their record turning back around. It is actually rather funny reading back through the posters that were just so obsessed with the Wings record the first few games after the signing. SO short sighted.

Proclaiming Andrew Lyon, a 32 year old undrafted journeyman, as the Red Wings savior in net seems premature, too, no?

[Canada 02]

Wings say the injury is not related to the surgically repaired hip

https://twitter.com/user/status/1746710837530620026

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kane is the definition of washed and the Red Wings are a paper tiger. I just don't see it.

The Wings are 8 points up on the Devils for the last wild card spot , and Kane is over PPG.

He scored the OT goal in Chicago and the fans responded with a standing ovation.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Wings are 8 points up on the Devils for the last wild card spot , and Kane is over PPG.

He scored the OT goal in Chicago and the fans responded with a standing ovation.

He’s an absolute gamer and always has been.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He’s an absolute gamer and always has been.

"Empty calories and a bad player"

I just laugh at that one.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Bad player signs with a bad team. Welp!

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kane is the definition of washed and the Red Wings are a paper tiger. I just don't see it.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

He's 35 and coming off a surgical procedure that is almost always a death sentence for NHL careers. Even before he went under the knife, he was flat-out terrible in almost every sense last year for CHI and NYR, and has been steadily declining at both ends of the ice for years.

He's not a good player anymore.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Fun fact: it has been eight years since Patrick Kane's team finished with more high-danger scoring chances and expected goals for than against with him on the ice.

He is a possession sinkhole who scores empty-calorie points. Phil Kessel was also amazing once upon a time. Not anymore. That's Kane in a nutshell. He was subtraction by addition for NYR last year and will probably be even worse in Detroit this year.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Red Wings are set to be 1-6 in the Kane era.

Washed player is now even more washed. Imagine that

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Then maybe Detroit shouldn't have signed him (yet, or at all) and used their cap space on an actual upgrade

Kane has shown over the last number of years that even when he's healthy, he's a net negative player.

I stopped after a few, there may more. Not trying to throw shade, but the Kane hate was over the top. Someone needs a 3 course meal of crow.

[TheScorpion]

Kane has been far more productive than I expected but his defensive results have been flat-out atrocious of late and he's shooting roughly twice his typical rate at 5-on-5. Unless that metal hip turned him into the Terminator, this run is as unsustainable as it gets. Thoroughly reminiscent of the 2014 Avs or 2015 Flames. Sorry.

[topfiverecords]

His OT goal celebration was great! Walman came in to celebrate but then Kane is like, get out of my way, Scorp is in the front row and I need to go rub this in.

[Samonadreau]

It was a 1yr 2.75M deal

Eat it.

[TheScorpion]

With Kane on the ice today, the Red Wings were outchanced in the expected goals column roughly 4:1.

He scored. I get it. But much like the Flames faceplanted in 2015-16, a similar reckoning is coming here. Under the surface, the Red Wings grade out as one of the very worst teams in the NHL, roughly on par with CHI and SJ.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

It was a 1yr 2.75M deal



Eat it.

I think Scorp needs some sauce, because he ain't eating it.

[transplant99]

Im hesitant to even post this and Scorp, this isnt directed right at you even though you fall squarely in to the group.

But, your/those takes here are the perfect example of what analytics have done to the fans of the game.

One only needs to actually watch Patrick Kane to know there is no possible way he is anything but a positive to his teams. Its asinine to suggest anything else, yet, it will continue regardless.

No matter what the sport, if you actually watch games it is not hard to realize who is a good/great player.

Kane is/was? one of them.

[SuperMatt18]

Scorp's hate of Kane is probably over the top.

Kane always has been, and likely always will be an elite offensive talent (and a P.O.S) but to be honest he's not wrong that Kane was a bit of a liability defensively near the end of his time in Chicago, and honeslty isn't that much better defensively in Detroit (although a bit of an improvement compared to his last couple seasons in Chicago).

Even on that game winner tonight, he was in position to have a breakaway from the redline because he was lost defensively and completely lost his man.

https://x.com/nhl/status/1761932146262884393?s=46 look how lost he is defensively, it was a controller disconnected moment...except they got the save, and Debrincat worked his ass off to get that puck back.

Right now for Detroit it's working because they have the responsible centers to play him with, but Detroit as a whole are also very fortunate right now at 5v5 and have strong special teams (top 8 in both PK and PP) which is why they are in a playoff spot.

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im hesitant to even post this and Scorp, this isnt directed right at you even though you fall squarely in to the group.

But, your/those takes here are the perfect example of what analytics have done to the fans of the game.

One only needs to actually watch Patrick Kane to know there is no possible way he is anything but a positive to his teams. Its asinine to suggest anything else, yet, it will continue regardless.

No matter what the sport, if you actually watch games it is not hard to realize who is a good/great player.

Kane is/was? one of them.

To be honest I think you could also say that if you watched the games and didn't just look at points and goals in the box score you'd also see that Kane is an absolute liability defensively, especially late in his career.

Really it's no different than CP's favourite argument about how McDavid and Draisaitl are liabilities defensively.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im hesitant to even post this and Scorp, this isnt directed right at you even though you fall squarely in to the group.

But, your/those takes here are the perfect example of what analytics have done to the fans of the game.

One only needs to actually watch Patrick Kane to know there is no possible way he is anything but a positive to his teams. Its asinine to suggest anything else, yet, it will continue regardless.

No matter what the sport, if you actually watch games it is not hard to realize who is a good/great player.

Kane is/was? one of them.

I get this side of the argument but I have to say — there is seldom a night that I don't watch hockey. I watch so much! A hilarious amount. And I'd be willing to bet you also haven't watched every one of Detroit's recent games and are relying on stats as well — namely, goals and points — for your argument. Which is fine! And I'm not even saying Kane hasn't been a great player. One of the best offensive wingers of all time.

It is easy to get caught up in the goals and assists, and it's understandable when DET is winning, but the numbers that I'm citing are predictive. When you're constantly being outshot against the weakest opponents in the league, you're probably going to start losing. That's not exactly a new idea. And with Kane on the ice in his latter years in Chicago, that's what happened. He scored a ton and gave up a ton more. And I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that it'll happen in Detroit, too.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that it'll happen in Detroit, too.

You know, with prices now, that means the odds are actually against you.