2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Fun fact: The dodo might be back soon.

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I hope you mean the prospects of a trade, and not the prehistoric bird. I'm ok without the latter.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If Mercer is your farm you have a very mediocre farm. Starting goalies never get traded in this league because they are the most valuable commodity, not because they have no value. A lot of posters seem to think that you can run anyone at that position and find success. That is almost never true.

You have to be joking. Is that why their median salary is $3.75M?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Fun fact: The dodo might be back soon.

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Insiders; any truth to this?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Well, we're going off of the assumption that NJ is not willing to meet Calgary's price for retention. Retention is needed this season to fit Markstrom into their current roster (and also get a him at a discount rate for the next 2 seasons).

In the summer, salary cap goes up, Toffoli and others walk to FA, so retention might not be needed. At that time, NJ might be ok to acquire Markstrom for the full price without retention that they were allegedly close on.

And, more goalies might be available in the summer, giving NJ more options if they don't feel like paying the price Calgary is asking for. Saros, Ullmark, FA goalies, etc.

And, part of Markstrom's appeal is how well he's playing THIS season. You go into the off-season and who knows what he's going to be like as a 35 year old next year.

It's what we've been talking about for literally the last 50 pages.

Retention is not needed this season. The Devils have almost 10 million in cap space. The retention was a request by the Devils, not a requirement.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How is he “selling the farm to save your job or make the playoffs for one season” in February but not doing the exact same thing if he tries to acquire the same player in July?



All he’s doing is getting one less playoff run out of Markstrom. Instead of 3, it’s 2. And the Flames have zero reason to reduce the price. Especially if Markstrom ends up as a Vezina finalist.

New Jersey could instead see if one of the upcoming UFA goalie options signs with them in the offseason instead. They'd get to keep Mercer, Holtz, picks and prospects if they go that route.

[keenan87]

It will be funny when New Jersey makes a trade for a goalie - but its not Markstrom.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by activeStick

New Jersey could instead see if one of the upcoming UFA goalie options signs with them in the offseason instead. They'd get to keep Mercer, Holtz, picks and prospects if they go that route.

Give me one UFA goalie this coming off-season that is in the same category as Markstrom.

Here's the list

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/ufa/

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Retention is not needed this season. The Devils have almost 10 million in cap space. The retention was a request by the Devils, not a requirement.

If the insiders are to be believed, retention is the issue, whether for this year or because they want the retention for the next two years. Otherwise, you'd think a deal would be done by now without retention.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You have to be joking. Is that why their median salary is $3.75M?

Well the median is 4 million for starters, with Oettinger, Sorokin and Korpisalo all making that amount.


Median for top 6 scoring forward in the league as a comparable is 3.25 million (Adam Lowry). So definitely more valuable than a top 6 forward, one can make the argument based on salary that defence could be more valuable.


But nobody says “man, we could have won the cup but we did not have enough scorers”. Many teams say “we could have made a run but we did not make any saves”

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Groot

Give me one UFA goalie this coming off-season that is in the same category as Markstrom.

Here's the list

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/ufa/

The issue is not getting a goalie better than Markstrom. It's getting a goalie that can do the job, that will cost something in the range NJ is comfortable with.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I hope you mean the prospects of a trade, and not the prehistoric bird. I'm ok without the latter.

I'm not sure which one he meant, but there are plans to bring back the bird.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...back-the-dodo/

And it isn't a prehistoric bird, we finished them off in the late 17th century.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well the median is 4 million for starters, with Oettinger, Sorokin and Korpisalo all making that amount.


Median for top 6 scoring forward in the league as a comparable is 3.25 million (Adam Lowry). So definitely more valuable than a top 6 forward, one can make the argument based on salary that defence could be more valuable.


But nobody says “man, we could have won the cup but we did not have enough scorers”. Many teams say “we could have made a run but we did not make any saves”

Carolina says that every year.

By definition there are 6x32=192 "top 6 scoring forwards" in the league. You need 25 points or more to be in this club. The median player for salary, 96th ranked Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, makes $5.125M. So clearly GMs value these players more than starting goaltenders.

With respect to goalies, among "starters" (minimum 27 GP, that's what the top 32 goalies have):

Lowest paid 10: 2.64 GAA .911 SV%

Highest paid 10: 2.78 GAA .908 SV%

They're as fungible as one dollar bill compared to any other.

[Saqe]

Swayman can be offer sheeted in the summer, that's another name in the mix.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I know if I owned the Devils he would absolutely get his walking papers if I missed out on playoff revenue this season with that roster. The fact he gave a crappy coach an extension as well wouldn't help his cause.

Right on. A young team with high offensive output and they don’t make a major move to solidify their back end. Would have been a huge game changer to have made that move for the playoff run and the next two years. They would have likely been in the race. Today was more or less a nail in the coffin.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Gotta think any trade with NJ is dead after today.

For me the interesting trade partner for Hanifin would be with Detroit. IMO Markstrom is going nowhere.

They’re 5 points back with 2 games in hand?

Not sure I’d put that as completely dead.

Should they make their move (if they’re doing it) immediately? Absolutely.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Well, we're going off of the assumption that NJ is not willing to meet Calgary's price for retention. Retention is needed this season to fit Markstrom into their current roster (and also get a him at a discount rate for the next 2 seasons).

In the summer, salary cap goes up, Toffoli and others walk to FA, so retention might not be needed. At that time, NJ might be ok to acquire Markstrom for the full price without retention that they were allegedly close on.

And, more goalies might be available in the summer, giving NJ more options if they don't feel like paying the price Calgary is asking for. Saros, Ullmark, FA goalies, etc.

And, part of Markstrom's appeal is how well he's playing THIS season. You go into the off-season and who knows what he's going to be like as a 35 year old next year.

It's what we've been talking about for literally the last 50 pages.

This is where I think you're wrong. Jersey has tons of cap space this year. And if this year were their concern, it could be handled by sending a contract back.

Jersey wants the retention for the next 2 years, because they have some guys that need contracts.

This deal isn't about getting retention this year, it's about solving their one big problem, and taking their team to the next level. Getting Markstrom for 3 playoffs is way better than 2 in that scenario

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

A Hanifin to Dallas deal has to start with Stankoven.

DAL
Hanifin (50% retained, signed 8 x $7.5MM)

CGY
Stankoven
Bischel
2025 3rd

Goodness me. You are likely going to be disappointed with what return does eventually come. How often has an organization traded 2 of their 3 best prospects in a deal?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by keenan87

It will be funny when New Jersey makes a trade for a goalie - but its not Markstrom.

Hilarious

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hilarious

Of course he will find it hilarious as it will give him something to complain about.

[Goriders]

Just saying I’m so glad we’re getting rid of Hanifin, Tanev and Markstrom. They are all playing so poorly and not helping at all recently in getting back into the race.

All kidding aside. If we are going to tank the current version of the Flames as they start to figure themselves out we better get something decent in return besides just magic beans.