2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, tell me the other stud goalies that could be had. I covered that in a prior post, none of them are coming cheaper. Hill for Vegas was pure luck, if the Devils want to bank in that they might as well keep Vanacek.

Vanecek likely has a bounce back year. It happens more often than teams trading what some are suggesting they trade for Markstrom.

[getoverit]

Total speculation but based on comments made the complexity to this is another flames player involved in jersey ask. Hanifin? Wishful lol

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is purely speculation by me...but if I have to guess...Flames were comfortable with some retention for the agreed upon deal (up to 25%)...Devils pushed for 50% retention...so the Flames asked for another piece (rumored to be Casey) and the deal fell apart.

Which to me would have been very short sighted by the Devils. Markstrom at $4.5M would already be good value for a starting goalie, if you want to get him for $3M you're going to have to overpay.

And IMO it would be a but foolish to really push for that because you're already probably overpaying a bit to start with when you consider the Flames don't really have much pressure to move him to start with, and have absolutely no pressure to move him with retention.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I applaud Conroy's resolve here. Many other GMs would have flinched. He is dictating the price right now, and he won't sell until that price will be met. Sure, the rebuttal is that interested teams will go elsewhere. My rebuttal to that is that Markstrom is the best available goalie, Tanev is the best available defensive defencemen who can dramatically improve a team's PK and hide huge warts that rookie 'rover' defencemen are prone to make, and Hanifin is the best overall 2-way defencemen that teams can use on their top pairings. Go plug your holes elsewhere on the cheap.


For instance, the Devils are going to miss the playoffs if they don't make the move for Markstrom. Toronto is going to 'wait and see' another year of Mathews? He certainly isn't old, but it strikes me as a waste to not give your team the best chance possible, especially in a year where there isn't a clear-cut heavyweight or two in the conference. Toronto needs legitimate help on defence, and do they really want to enter the playoffs with Jones and Woll? Jones is not an answer, and Woll may or may not return at the same level that he left injured at, and he is also a rookie. Seems like they have two big holes.


What about Rob Blake? How secure does he feel with his job if the Kings take another tumble because the tandem of Rittich-Talbot turns back into a pumpkin? The Canes look like their goalie issues have stabilized some, but have they really? At what point is this 'contender' actually going to do anything in the playoffs?


If Fitzgerald goes out and buys Markstrom (and ideally Tanev as well), and the Devils return to the team that they looked like last season, he will be looked at as some savant of a builder.



I love Conroy's courage here to just stick to his guns. We will see if it pays off or not, but he has been impressive through this!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, tell me the other stud goalies that could be had. I covered that in a prior post, none of them are coming cheaper. Hill for Vegas was pure luck, if the Devils want to bank in that they might as well keep Vanacek.

Yup goalies are weird because they are the most important piece, but also somewhat undervalued because performance can be a bit random.

But really they fall into tiers for me.

1) Guys who are consistently very good (there are a handful of these guys in the NHL: Vasilevsky, Shesterkin, Hellebuyck, etc.)

2) Guys who have shown they can be good for a long period of time, but also mix a bad season or stretch every once in a while (Markstrom fits in here)

3) Guys who can put together a good 20-40 game stretch but generally fall back to being backup status over longer time periods (Vanecek probably fits here)

4) Guys who carve out a career as relied upon backups, but probably will never really get a look as a starter (somebody like Laurent Broissoit)

Generally to me you need to draft the guys that fall into category 1 and they aren't available in a trade. Hill won a cup for Vegas and looks like he might be that guy, but he's only played 50 regular season games for Knights, so it's undetermined at this point.

The guys in category 2 sometimes are available in a trade or as free agents...I'd say people like Markstrom, Ullmark, Kuemper, probably fall into this category.

People in category 3 tend to be available every season / offseason, and if a team gets lucky they can ride one of these in a hot streak to win a cup but can't be counted on for long term success.

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Vanecek likely has a bounce back year. It happens more often than teams trading what some are suggesting they trade for Markstrom.

It's possible...but TBH doesn't probably help the Devils long term. Even if he does have a good season again next year do you really want to give him a contract extension that would probably require a raise over his current salary?

It's where goaltending is so tough to evaluate and project. Yes, you can get by with guys that fall into category 3, but it makes your year to year performance more variable, especially in the playoffs.

Even last year in the playoffs Vanecek and Schmid shared the net, and Schmid took the starting job from Vaneck in the Rangers series.

You might get lucky but really all that happens is you're left questioning your goalie year after year.

[Royle9]

I feel like it only makes sense for something to cause the deal for Markstrom to fall apart.
So much smoke a week ago leading up to the stadium game.

Then crickets and insiderrrrrs now doubting hes moved.

[Parallex]

It would amuse me if Tanev were added to the deal... mostly because of all that talk about how folks were waiting for Tanev to set the market... then he gets moved and the market still won't be set because of all the other elements.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I'm happy Conroy doesn't make trades for pennies on the dollar, but I hope he listens to Kenny Rogers on repeat for a bit.

[atb]

A Jacob Markstrom-to-New Jersey deal got so close, I'm told Markstrom didn't think he'd leave the area when the Flames were on a New York/New Jersey road trip earlier this month. It fell through, but I think the Devils are still aggressively looking at options, and Saros could be one of them. GM Tom Fitzgerald has full power from ownership to do anything he can to make the team better. Goaltending is the obvious need, even though 23-year-old Nico Daws has helped stabilize the situation lately. But an impact defenseman is also key as the Devils are vulnerable and inexperienced without top blueliner Dougie Hamilton.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...eadline-topics

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I feel like it only makes sense for something to cause the deal for Markstrom to fall apart.
So much smoke a week ago leading up to the stadium game.

Then crickets and insiderrrrrs now doubting hes moved.

I might have missed it in the thread. Which insiders are saying it’s doubtful Markstrom is moved?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Especially with Huska’s track record and the age Smith is to me it seems like a natural fit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Duehr for Smith type trade but I’m not sure how waivers would work after a trade, would he have to clear waivers for callup? Could the flames keep him in the AHL to help with a run and then work on seeing how he fits next camp?

Don’t think he has to clear waivers for a call-up, but I’m usually wrong when it comes to that stuff. You’re right about Huska though, he’s always been good with young D. Too bad we’re trading Tanev, he would good on a pairing with a guy like that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by atb

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...eadline-topics

Weird it got close enough that Markstrom thought he was traded and fell through again. Feels like the trade would have had to be agreed on in principle for Markstrom to think he was gone.
I wonder if there is just no retention available from the Flames

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I feel like it only makes sense for something to cause the deal for Markstrom to fall apart.
So much smoke a week ago leading up to the stadium game.

Then crickets and insiderrrrrs now doubting hes moved.

FWIW Diss has always doubted he'd move (barring a massive overpay).

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Don’t think he has to clear waivers for a call-up, but I’m usually wrong when it comes to that stuff. You’re right about Huska though, he’s always been good with young D. Too bad we’re trading Tanev, he would good on a pairing with a guy like that.

I’m holding out hope Tanev takes his run and comes back in the offseason, dude seems like he was made to be a Flame! Thanks for the download in Smith too, he’s an interesting player to consider especially once the dust settles on the big trades.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

We'll trade you Ricardo and the signing rights to Moon for the paper clip and the pocket lint.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Weird it got close enough that Markstrom thought he was traded and fell through again. Feels like the trade would have had to be agreed on in principle for Markstrom to think he was gone.
I wonder if there is just no retention available from the Flames

More to the fact for me is how Markstrom has played since that apparently went down with an exclamation mark last night. Good on Marky for being a pro, every post game interview last night the player mentioned Markstrom, Kylington called him the teams best player hands down. If it got that far along and fell through I can’t see it falling through from Calgarys end especially considering Markstrom was of the thought he wasn’t going back to the usual dressing room by the end of the trip. Can’t imagine GMCC is thrilled with how Fitz has handled this, it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Credit to the locker room, they have come together through all the pressure and it’s commendable.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

We'll trade you Ricardo and the signing rights to Moon for the paper clip and the pocket lint.

That paper clip could become a house so that’s a solid offer

[saillias]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I hear that….getting my hopes up everytime I open these threads just to see mock trades or other chit chat = pain

Probably just a twitter account, youtube and AM radio is all you need until the deadline.

Friedman reiterated Flames are shutting all outside communication down and suggested the insiders might not have any scoop on the Flames until the trade itself is announced.

Seems Conroy is going full Lou Lamoriello on leaks. It seems unlikely someone here is going to have an inside track on something. If they do, word will get out and if there's a leak they will shut down the talks.

[taxbuster]

I know that lots of people (or maybe it's just the same people over and over) that seem to think Marky should be traded...but am I nuts for thinking that keeping him just sets up Wolf with a mentor and that might be a .... better choice?


At the end of the day it doesn't really matter to me, because one way we end up with new and younger players, albeit on a crapshoot, and the other way we end up with a new and younger goalie, also on a crapshoot as to whether his skills translate to the NHL.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I know that lots of people (or maybe it's just the same people over and over) that seem to think Marky should be traded...but am I nuts for thinking that keeping him just sets up Wolf with a mentor and that might be a .... better choice?


At the end of the day it doesn't really matter to me, because one way we end up with new and younger players, albeit on a crapshoot, and the other way we end up with a new and younger goalie, also on a crapshoot as to whether his skills translate to the NHL.

My biggest issue with keeping Markstrom is that if he plays like this next year he might end up being a big reason the Panthers get an 11th overall pick.
This is the closest the Flames have come to trading a valuable piece with term so that is a positive.

[Niemo]

I think Conroy needs to start considering the cost to move up from say the 12th pick overall to the 7th pick overall if he is just squeezing 3rds out of bidders.