[PGT] Flames 3 bruins 2 Final OT

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Yes. But their fans are right. He passes there and it’s a sure goal.

Except it's not - the puck can bounce, he can fan on the shot, his stick could break...

(Whenever a goal isn't scored) every time a player passes it on an odd man rush, fans complain that he should have shot. Every time they shoot, fans complain that they should have passed.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Fantastic game to watch. Great win. A few take aways from it:
-Posposil has looked so good this year. Honestly had no read on him as a player coming into this season and just assumed he was going to be a career AHL player. He brings speed, hits, and grit. He fits like a glove on that line with Zary and Kadri. He gets under the skin of opponents constantly. Big fan of Posposil so far.
-Zary is so strong on the cycle. He constantly wins puck battles and makes plays out of nothing. Can really see why he was praised for his high hockey IQ along with his raw skills.
-Was surprised that Kuzmenko got benched for most off the third period. Thought he was having a very good game up till then.
-Markstrom is at another level this year. Absolutely fantastic saves all night. What a pro he has been through all the trade speculation. I do agree the flames should trade him (if the right return is available) as this has to be his peak value.
-Biggest point I want to make about this game and the weeks since he has been back is Kyllington. Such a great story. He looks like he did when he left and is playing like a top four defenceman IMO. Good on him after the last two years. It’s hard to imagine now but in his draft year, he was touted as being a clear top five talent in that draft but his attitude in interviews was apparently what made him drop in the draft if I remember correctly. Look at him now… he’s such as positive influence on this team and the organization as a whole. Goes to show we should try not be too quick to judge some of these young kids trying to make their way to being pros.

Over the last decade, all I have seen from Kylington is a wonderful attitude.

In his draft year, he did have some struggles in the SHL (which is a crazy tier 1 league for a 17 year old to be thrust into anyways) and he and his agent requested a demotion to the tier 2 league to prioritize his development, which was somehow framed as selfish behaviour.

As a prospect, he definitely struggled defending... ehich kind of checks out considering he played forward up until he was a teenager, and had never had someone actually teach him the defense position until he moved to Stockton as a rookie.

I personally feel that the color of his skin was actually a very real factor in how clueless the NHL was about him. Here was a kid being touted in the same sentence as Marner, Eichel, Hanifin and suddenly fell to 58th overall over a 6 month span?

I also think that the D who did get drafted high that year - including Hanifin, Chabot and Werenski - weren't exactly strong defensively themselves at that age. It was a work in progress for all of them. Hanifin may have played in the NHL as a 19 year old but was -53 over his first three seasons despite sheltered third paid minutes. Not trying to overstate plus minus here but there's a good chance that another team may have and arguably should have sent him to the AHL for a few years too to get more ice time in an expanded role.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Over the last decade, all I have seen from Kylington is a wonderful attitude.

In his draft year, he did have some struggles in the SHL (which is a crazy tier 1 league for a 17 year old to be thrust into anyways) and he and his agent requested a demotion to the tier 2 league to prioritize his development, which was somehow framed as selfish behaviour.

As a prospect, he definitely struggled defending... ehich kind of checks out considering he played forward up until he was a teenager, and had never had someone actually teach him the defense position until he moved to Stockton as a rookie.

I personally feel that the color of his skin was actually a very real factor in how clueless the NHL was about him. Here was a kid being touted in the same sentence as Marner, Eichel, Hanifin and suddenly fell to 58th overall over a 6 month span?

I also think that the D who did get drafted high that year - including Hanifin, Chabot and Werenski - weren't exactly strong defensively themselves at that age. It was a work in progress for all of them. Hanifin may have played in the NHL as a 19 year old but was -53 over his first three seasons despite sheltered third paid minutes. Not trying to overstate plus minus here but there's a good chance that another team may have and arguably should have sent him to the AHL for a few years too to get more ice time in an expanded role.

He was highly touted for a while, but then fell to 58th because... they suddenly discovered he was black? Did they not know that while he was highly touted? I mean, come on.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He was highly touted for a while, but then fell to 58th because... they suddenly discovered he was black? Did they not know that while he was highly touted? I mean, come on.

I am saying that the perceived "attitude/ego issues" were overstated / manufactured.

Were Kylington white, his attitude would never have been framed as poor.

Considering there is zero evidence his attitude as ever actually been poor at any point in the last decade.

[PeteMoss]

If Kylington was drafted top 10 or whatever - he'd be seen a huge bust.

Even just above him in the 2nd round - guys like Vince Dunn and Rasmus Andersson were drafted who've been better than him. He should have been drafted higher but him going where he was originally slated would have been a big mistake.

[genetic_phreek]

One thing I'm not liking is Huska already "punishing" Kuzmenko. I don't know if he realizes that when he moves him off that line, he essentially kills the flow of that line for all the guys.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If Kylington was drafted top 10 or whatever - he'd be seen a huge bust.

Even just above him in the 2nd round - guys like Vince Dunn and Rasmus Andersson were drafted who've been better than him. He should have been drafted higher but him going where he was originally slated would have been a big mistake.

I was so happy when Kylington fell to us at 53. Then they took Andersson and I was disappointed. Turns out they were right. And we got Kylington anyway. Hell of a draft, considering all we had were two late second round picks, and a 5th, 6th (Mangiapane) and 7th.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I was so happy when Kylington fell to us at 53. Then they took Andersson and I was disappointed. Turns out they were right. And we got Kylington anyway. Hell of a draft, considering all we had were two late second round picks, and a 5th, 6th (Mangiapane) and 7th.

Also walked out with Dougie Hamilton.

Trelivings finest work as GM I think. That and turning Hamilton into Lindholm and Hanifin.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

One thing I'm not liking is Huska already "punishing" Kuzmenko. I don't know if he realizes that when he moves him off that line, he essentially kills the flow of that line for all the guys.

I didn't watch the game, anybody have any idea what warranted that benching?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Also walked out with Dougie Hamilton.

Trelivings finest work as GM I think. That and turning Hamilton into Lindholm and Hanifin.

That draft through the start of the 16/17 season was the peak of Treliving's GM tenure I think.

Hamilton trade on the eve of the 2015 Draft.

Draft Andersson, Kylington, Mangiapane at the 2015 Draft.

Draft Tkachuk, Dube, Fox at the 2016 Draft

Sign Monahan and Gaudreau to long term extensions in the summer of 2016.

Then the following offseason was the start of the downfall with the Hamonic trade in the summer of 2017.

[cannon7]

In his draft year there were a lot of questions about Kylington's hockey sense. A lot of "Is this the next Cam Barker?" type comments. Has definitely proven those critics wrong. I was arguably among them, as I didn't want the Flames to take a project in the first round.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I didn't watch the game, anybody have any idea what warranted that benching?

Didn't watch it either. One thing I would say though is that we don't know what the coaches have asked Kuzmenko specifically to do and to pay attention to, especially defensively. It may be that, despite him looking good offesnively, he's not following the directions in his own zone.

Edit: I actually did manage to see the last few minutes and fantastic OT.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Except it's not - the puck can bounce, he can fan on the shot, his stick could break...

(Whenever a goal isn't scored) every time a player passes it on an odd man rush, fans complain that he should have shot. Every time they shoot, fans complain that they should have passed.

He should’ve shashed it.

[Bubba17]

Watching the last few games, specifically Kylington, I am less worried about the Flames trading Hanifin. I think OK will move seamlessly to the top 4 and continue what Hanifin has brought to the Flames.

They need to worry more about replacing Tanev long term with a strong player to play with OK.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Watching the last few games, specifically Kylington, I am less worried about the Flames trading Hanifin. I think OK will move seamlessly to the top 4 and continue what Hanifin has brought to the Flames.

They need to worry more about replacing Tanev long term with a strong player to play with OK.

I have been wanting a Kylington - Weegar pair since the day we acquired Weegar.

I think it would be better if they added another left side defenseman to play with Andersson.

If they can get that Lohrei kid that would be exciting

Kylington - Weegar
Lohrei - Andersson
Poirier - Pachal

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I didn't watch the game, anybody have any idea what warranted that benching?

Huska has proven in his tenure so far to be a pretty fair players coach. Kuzmenko has the ability to pop 40 a season, yet was in the dog house and not utilized fully by his former coach who has his team top of the division.

When these things happen, we shouldn't be worried that the coach is being unreasonable. Understood that we will never know everything without being in the locker room, but based on the information we are privy to, we should not be jumping to the conclusion that Huska might be miss stepping, this is clearly a pattern with Kuzmenko.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If Kylington was drafted top 10 or whatever - he'd be seen a huge bust.

Even just above him in the 2nd round - guys like Vince Dunn and Rasmus Andersson were drafted who've been better than him. He should have been drafted higher but him going where he was originally slated would have been a big mistake.

It is quite possible if he hadn’t lost the last two years playing, he may have been better then those two, so kind of hard to say he would be a bust had he actually been playing the last two years( if he was drafted top 10)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I am saying that the perceived "attitude/ego issues" were overstated / manufactured.

Were Kylington white, his attitude would never have been framed as poor.

Considering there is zero evidence his attitude as ever actually been poor at any point in the last decade.

Håkan Loob did a long radio interview on the Fan after Kylington's draft year, and specifically addressed this question. He said Kylington's development had stalled, and in particular that he wasn't learning the defensive side of the game, because he had been bounced around to so many different teams. In the course of a couple of years, he went from Sodertalje Jr. to Farjestads Jr., up and down to Farjestads a couple of times, and then off to AIK. He was never with one coach or one system long enough to really improve as a player. Loob said his draft stock was falling because to an outsider, it looked like he wasn't making an effort. In fact, most of his effort was going into adjusting to a new team every few months.

Plenty of white players have been accused of having poor attitudes. Some of them actually did, and some were the victims of circumstance. Loob was adamant that Kylington was a victim of circumstance, and would blossom if he got to play consistently under one coach and in one system. That turned out to be the case.

I never picked up any whisper that his skin colour had anything to do with how he was perceived.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Pospisil is a poor man's Tkachuk.

Not nearly as offensively talented but is solid defensively, is a play driver, and is rounding into a great agitator.

I'm not sure how he's built up this reputation around the league in half a season. Clearly, opponents hate him, but when I watch the games, he's not doing the kind of stuff that a guy like Chucky does. He isn't face washing anyone and stuff like that. He's just finishing his hits and in those scrums when they happen. Love the player!

[Dion]

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