2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah, you know what’s awesome?

We didn’t extend Elias Lindholm.

We aren’t extending Noah Hanifin or Chris Tanev.

We might be trading Jacob Markstrom.

…that’s all awesome. Just taking a moment to appreciate that Conroy is turning the last era over, and building something new. That’s refreshing to see.

I'll take it one step further because to be honest none of those things are "awesome" just on their own...the "awesome" thing is that Conroy seems to understand age curves really well.

Toffoli / Tanev....didn't want to commit term or high $$$ to older players at all.

Lindholm...was comfortable with re-signing him at his age, but only for a reasonable dollar amount that made sense at his age/performance.

Hanifin...was willing to be a bit more aggressive due to his younger age and contract value overall.

To me having a differentiated approach for those players is the most promising thing, because it shows he understands the age curve and that you treat every scenario differently.

I've never liked the "re-sign everyone because it's our window" or the "go scorched earth and sell everything" approaches because you need to be more nuanced. Conroy seems to understand that.

The key to winning is building a team that can be a consistent contender over a long period of time, and in order to do that prioritizing ongoing asset management and understanding age curves is the key (Elite pieces generally age better than support pieces is something people need to remember too, so it's not just re-signing nobody past 30, but don't re-sign depth/support into their late 30s).

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Its probably more than 1.13 with up to 2 assists per goal.

Yeah, you're right, it's definitely more than that. I just didn't have any idea how to quantify it.

I should have said 1 goal from then is worth 1.13 nowadays. A 70 goal season now is equivalent to a 62 goal season from 2017.

[traptor]

It's a common narrative that how Conroy is handling the UFAs is because he learned from the Gaudreau fiasco and doesn't want to lose anyone for free.

But I also wonder if the Huberdeau signing has played a big part in how Conroy has handled these UFAs. He seems to be heavily avoiding overpaying an aging UFA. The only one he has aigned is Backlund to a fair short term deal. Tre gave Huberdeau everything he wanted to get him to sign out of desperation and its has burned us badly.

Conroy is drawing very hard lines on what they perceive as fair value for these UFAs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of people said that about Markstrom at the beginning of this year.

If Markstrom had another 5 years I’d also say he wasn’t tradeable though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'll take it one step further because to be honest none of those things are "awesome" just on their own...the "awesome" thing is that Conroy seems to understand age curves really well.

Toffoli / Tanev....didn't want to commit term or high $$$ to older players at all.

Lindholm...was comfortable with re-signing him at his age, but only for a reasonable dollar amount that made sense at his age/performance.

Hanifin...was willing to be a bit more aggressive due to his younger age and contract value overall.

To me having a differentiated approach for those players is the most promising thing, because it shows he understands the age curve and that you treat every scenario differently.

I've never liked the "re-sign everyone because it's our window" or the "go scorched earth and sell everything" approaches because you need to be more nuanced. Conroy seems to understand that.

The key to winning is building a team that can be a consistent contender over a long period of time, and in order to do that prioritizing ongoing asset management and understanding age curves is the key (Elite pieces generally age better than support pieces is something people need to remember too, so it's not just re-signing nobody past 30, but don't re-sign depth/support into their late 30s).

And the value he places on picks, and keeping our and not tossing them away like it's nothing like Treliving did.

5th for Ryan Carpenter why?
2nd of Lazar why?
4th for Fattenberg
The Bollig trade.

He was wasting picks for no reason.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

And the value he places on picks, and keeping our and not tossing them away like it's nothing like Treliving did.

5th for Ryan Carpenter why?
2nd of Lazar why?
4th for Fattenberg
The Bollig trade.

He was wasting picks for no reason.

There was always a reason.

Teams that see themselves as contenders add depth at every trade deadline.

Treliving didn't invent the concept.

Whether you agree on their view of being contenders is very open to be challenged though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Markstrom had another 5 years I’d also say he wasn’t tradeable though.

Maybe you wouldn't. But a lot of people already declared him untradeable at 3 additional years. They were wrong. Plus Markstrom is 2 years older than Kadri which makes up the age/contract term gap.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There was always a reason.

Teams that see themselves as contenders add depth at every trade deadline.

Treliving didn't invent the concept.

Whether you agree on their view of being contenders is very open to be challenged though.

I would argue only twice was the team in contender status.

Bollig was a useless draft day trade. Lazar was showing to be a bust for his draft position.

We got Jarnkrok who got miscast here but the carpenter deal made no sense and he hardly played.

For a guy who talked about valuing picks he sure did like to trade them away.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't know that I would consider Lazar a bust. He's still top 30 in his draft class for games played. But I agree at 17 he never had the upside.
But the premise of moving a 2nd round pick for a young guy that you think could be part of your team, has some merit.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would argue only twice was the team in contender status.

Bollig was a useless draft day trade. Lazar was showing to be a bust for his draft position.

We got Jarnkrok who got miscast here but the carpenter deal made no sense and he hardly played.

For a guy who talked about valuing picks he sure did like to trade them away.

Very true paid alot especially for Travis hamonic

[Jiri Hrdina]

The other way to look at Lazar is a deeper look at the pick traded for him.
That was #47 who was Alex Formenton. Seemed like was shaping up to have a career not too different from Lazar, with perhaps a little more upside.
If you look at the other picks that follows:
- Alex Vokov: 46 games
- Mario Ferraro: 303 games.
- Maxime Comtois: 210 games

Actually a pretty good run of players there. You then hae a dry spell the rest of the 2nd round.
Point is - hard to get a good player there.
I like hanging on to 2nds because you can find some impact guys there, but once you are in the mid 40s that becomes really hard.

Not saying the Lazar deal was terrific.
But it gets over-stated as a bad deal.

[Freeway]

Bollig was added to fill a roster spot to buy the kids some time to get NHL ready.

[Harpz0012]

What about a Markstrom trade to Carolina? Great team missing a top-tier goalie.

What could they offer as a trade partner?


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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Harpz0012

What about a Markstrom trade to Carolina? Great team missing a top-tier goalie.

What could they offer as a trade partner?


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The dream is Necas.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Just to clarify....between what it is I heard yesterday and reading between the lines on other reports is.....

The package agreed too by Calgary included Holtz as the only roster player along with other assets (pick/prospect? no idea) that were enough for Conroy to part ways. Mercer not included at any point. Also, Vanacek NOT part of the return.

The amount/value of retention on JM contract is where things got derailed, and ended the deal from going forward and whether or not Markstrom would be asked to waive, which could also end things in a hurry should he deny doing so to move to the NJ area.

So its a long way from being done and in no way does it include both Mercer and Holtz plus more. That seems like a pipe dream at best, though it makes for interesting discussion fodder.

Yeah, this makes way more sense to me, and if I recall you were employed in the NHL and still connected to people. Some of the other info on CP seems insane, like best deal for a goalie ever kinda stuff.

I always figured it was actually one young player (and likely not Mercer) plus a pick or two. I also think the Flames are willing to retain a low percentage (10-20%) as part of a deal with two years remaining on markstroms contract, not the 50% required to get a 1st round equivalent return.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

For a guy who talked about valuing picks he sure did like to trade them away.

It's a process.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Bollig was added to fill a roster spot to buy the kids some time to get NHL ready.

I thought he was brought in for his acting chops.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Bollig was added to fill a roster spot to buy the kids some time to get NHL ready.

Could have tried to sign someone in free agency instead of you first trade being sending a pick for a plugger.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The other way to look at Lazar is a deeper look at the pick traded for him.
That was #47 who was Alex Formenton. Seemed like was shaping up to have a career not too different from Lazar, with perhaps a little more upside.
If you look at the other picks that follows:
- Alex Vokov: 46 games
- Mario Ferraro: 303 games.
- Maxime Comtois: 210 games

Actually a pretty good run of players there. You then hae a dry spell the rest of the 2nd round.
Point is - hard to get a good player there.
I like hanging on to 2nds because you can find some impact guys there, but once you are in the mid 40s that becomes really hard.

Not saying the Lazar deal was terrific.
But it gets over-stated as a bad deal.

I think the more chances you give your scouts to make picks the better shot you have at getting a good pipeline. Look at Carolina they are in contention every year and have drafted a bunch.

Now they have ammo to complete their roster.

We went to the 2022 draft with 3 picks I believe. That’s just not good enough.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Bollig was added to fill a roster spot to buy the kids some time to get NHL ready.

We probably needed some player to get mentored. So that was well worth it.