2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[FlamesAreOne]

I've missed a ton of this thread and have no idea how many pages to go back before I see any of our insiderrrr posts.

Anyone have a super brief recap of what our fellas have been saying lately? Are Tanev, Hanifin and Marky still expected to be shipped out?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But there is a value to retaining. It has been established that the value is high - particularly when it is multi-years.
You think they should just give that away because they are going to "have to spend that money anyways"?

That’s why they are supposed to get Holtz or Mercer + Casey +picks

A full salary Markstrom does not return that

Sure retention has value but only when you are using it. I haven’t seen the Flames using it to their advantage yet.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

That’s why they are supposed to get Holtz or Mercer + Casey +picks

A full salary Markstrom does not return that

Sure retention has value but only when you are using it. I haven’t seen the Flames using it to their advantage yet.

So you are assuming they are not willing to retain instead of assuming that they are willing to retain, but NJ is not offering enough value for them to do so

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

I've missed a ton of this thread and have no idea how many pages to go back before I see any of our insiderrrr posts.

Anyone have a super brief recap of what our fellas have been saying lately? Are Tanev, Hanifin and Marky still expected to be shipped out?

Hanifin and Tanev for sure. I still think Markstrom gets shipped if the Flames will take a reasonable price for retention

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Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

I've missed a ton of this thread and have no idea how many pages to go back before I see any of our insiderrrr posts.

Anyone have a super brief recap of what our fellas have been saying lately? Are Tanev, Hanifin and Marky still expected to be shipped out?

No new actual news or new rumors on anyone in the last while I don't think.

- Speculation that Markstrom to NJ is still being discussed, but they may also be looking at Saros.

- Speculation that Hanifin more likely to be traded than re-signed. Florida, Tampa, Boston the apparent possible landing spots for him.

- Nothing really new on Tanev.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So you are assuming they are not willing to retain instead of assuming that they are willing to retain, but NJ is not offering enough value for them to do so

I am not assuming any thing

I am just saying retain and do whatever deal works for them instead of holding on to Markstrom

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not assuming any thing

I am just saying retain and do whatever deal works for them instead of holding on to Markstrom

Well, it seems they haven’t been offered a deal that works for them. Or do you just want Conroy to accept any deal and at the same time pay Markstrom $3M to play elsewhere?

[TheIronMaiden]

[The Original FFIV]

If retention is the issue, why don’t we just take back Vanacek in lieu of retention? Is this too easy of a fix to make a deal work?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If retention is the issue, why don’t we just take back Vanacek in lieu of retention? Is this too easy of a fix to make a deal work?

Vanacek can be bought out on the cheap.

It's the extra two years of Markstrom that is the issue.

[Monahammer]

Feels like an inverse Eichel situation brewing around Markstrom, where we are being used to drive down the cost for other assets on the market.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Vanacek is a decent goalie, and still probably could be good he is no throw in.

If we get his game back, we could flip him and get a 2nd round pick.

I just don't see this deal happening now with the standings, and games remaining. You would think Jersey would want Marky comfortable quickly going down the stretch and making a run.

Could be a big opportunity lost by both teams.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not assuming any thing

I am just saying retain and do whatever deal works for them instead of holding on to Markstrom

Right so back to that. Take the deal even if the retention item is not being given appropriate value? That's your position?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, it seems they haven’t been offered a deal that works for them. Or do you just want Conroy to accept any deal and at the same time pay Markstrom $3M to play elsewhere?

I would assume Conroy is applying the same patience by timeline and by what he deemed the price to be as he did on the Lindholm trade.

Fans were pretty happy with that return.

Won't always work but he has to go with the same set of principles in my mind.

Assuming with no knowledge that Conroy has an inflated price or is being stubborn seems like a huge reach.

Now there could a point where he'll have to adjust his prices down, but I'm sure he's mapped that out vs the March 8th hard deadline as well.

Plus teams are waiting as long as they can to acquire to have more cap space.

But I get it ... fans get impatient and want activity. Luckily he's dealing in the actual market.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not assuming any thing

I am just saying retain and do whatever deal works for them instead of holding on to Markstrom

Why not just do whatever does works for them and not retain? Do the Flames owners just want to spend 6 million dollars as a favour?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Right so back to that. Take the deal even if the retention item is not being given appropriate value? That's your position?

I think people need to realize we hold the hammer here as well. We have the asset, we have the retention spot. You don't just give it away.

We don't have to trade Markstrom, I am sure they are happy keeping him.

New Jersey has to trade for a goalie, their own players have called out the goaltending.

I think this is a lesson learned from the Feaster years, Burkie said he was soft and just taking whatever was offered without extracting proper value.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If retention is the issue, why don’t we just take back Vanacek in lieu of retention? Is this too easy of a fix to make a deal work?

The devils might want vanacek as an insurance , if Markstrom goes down for playoffs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Right so back to that. Take the deal even if the retention item is not being given appropriate value? That's your position?

My position at the end of the day is to trade Markstrom

I have no position on when or for what. I am not an insider.

If you think we need to be patient, that’s fine as long as he gets traded at some point.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, it seems they haven’t been offered a deal that works for them. Or do you just want Conroy to accept any deal and at the same time pay Markstrom $3M to play elsewhere?

If the rumor of Holtz or Mercer + prospects and picks is true then that’s good enough for me.

Of course if Conroy got offered #### then do not do it and the rumors are wrong and Markstrom has no value

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Why not just do whatever does works for them and not retain? Do the Flames owners just want to spend 6 million dollars as a favour?

That works too but what’s his value without retention?