2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Tbull8]

I also love the idea of keeping Vladar and running a 1A/1B tandem with him and wolf. The guy is still only 26, and having those 2 push to be the guy could benefit both of them. Vladar also seems like a great guy in the room, and likely won’t cost a ton to retain for a couple more years while we figure out what we have in wolf at the NHL level

[Tbull8]

Hopefully the Bruins get desperate for defense now that another one has gone down. Hanifin 50% retained with an extension in place
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[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Sure hope fans temper expectations on Markstrom trade. Returning Mercer + Casey + 1st? Jesus, that just cannot be the value - the logic isn’t there.

Markstrom @ 50% retained for Mercer straight up would be a great trade for the Flames. I’m skeptical of that - so think it would be Holtz and a late pick.

Retaining Markstrom at 50% (saving $7M-$8Mish in real money) = a 1st round pick at minumum

Markstrom at a $3M cap hit for the next 3 Playoff runs = a 1st round pick +

Desperation from teams with 0 goalies but high hopes = ???

[SemicolonD]

I agree people are getting expectations way too high even if people have heard rumours from sources that indicate a high return.

One side says Mercer no matter what, other says Holtz, some say Markstrom been asked to waive some say he hasn’t. Whatever actually has happened you take any offer resembling a 1st or high level prospect, doesn’t even need to be both, and run. Markstrom is not needed on the Flames and more than likely doesn’t repeat his great play going into next year. If anything close to the rumours are true you take it straight to the bank.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Sure hope fans temper expectations on Markstrom trade. Returning Mercer + Casey + 1st? Jesus, that just cannot be the value - the logic isn’t there.

Markstrom @ 50% retained for Mercer straight up would be a great trade for the Flames. I’m skeptical of that - so think it would be Holtz and a late pick.

Here is what Devils and Pitchforks which is a Devils fan publication has for Saros value in a trade. Him and Markstrom have similiar value, Markstrom is actually looked at by many experts as the better goalie.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...-juuse-saros/2

So given the rumour of Rooney plus 50% retention and given this was written by a publication that clearly favours the Devils in anything they write this is what the market is.

[dissentowner]

I should add that I have no idea if the writer knows anyone in the Devils organization but I find the players he mentioned interesting considering what has been floating out there.

[getoverit]

Interesting. I commentary in eating salary with Saros. Adds a whole new dynamic when your eating ie $5mm +

Wonder if hold up is they are also negotiating Hanifin in deal? Guy can wish

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Sure hope fans temper expectations on Markstrom trade. Returning Mercer + Casey + 1st? Jesus, that just cannot be the value - the logic isn’t there.

Markstrom @ 50% retained for Mercer straight up would be a great trade for the Flames. I’m skeptical of that - so think it would be Holtz and a late pick.

Can’t remember the last time a goalie brought back anything of value. Hoping Jersey is desperate and this is our Erat for Forsberg trade, but I think the value is going to be in eating a ton of salary, which is probably worth more than Markstrom himself

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Can’t remember the last time a goalie brought back anything of value. Hoping Jersey is desperate and this is our Erat for Forsberg trade, but I think the value is going to be in eating a ton of salary, which is probably worth more than Markstrom himself

By all accounts, that does seem to be a sticking point. I'm hoping it's more "finding appropriate value," than not wanting to retain (which does seem to be the inside info).

I feel this is similar to the Lindholm deal. If we cave to retention offers that Connie doesn't feel is fair value, all of a sudden, those are the offers we start getting for Tanev and Hanifin. However, the league sees what we were able to get in Lindholm, and that Connie will indeed pull the trigger, and hopefully the bidding war continues. Always a risk with holding out, but Markstrom's not a pending UFA.

With that said, I'm still firmly on the trade him, and perhaps if/once the other deals get done, Connie can potentially accept a bit less?

[Strange Brew]

Some of these returns would be the single greatest haul for a goalie in the history of the league.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here is what Devils and Pitchforks which is a Devils fan publication has for Saros value in a trade. Him and Markstrom have similiar value, Markstrom is actually looked at by many experts as the better goalie.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...-juuse-saros/2

So given the rumour of Rooney plus 50% retention and given this was written by a publication that clearly favours the Devils in anything they write this is what the market is.

Markstrom is a fantastic goalie and he has been a top 10 goalie over the last few years.

But I think Saros would have a bit more trade value. I'm not saying enormously more. But if I was a young team I would trade for Saros over Markstrom, primarily due to age.
He's 6 years younger then Markstrom, has better career numbers and better averages in base stats over recent years. Although I would say the difference in performance isn't that drastic and they're in a similar caliber of goalie.

Saros has 1 less year but Markstrom is owed more real money, signing bonuses and has a NMC.

A trading team would probably be way more inclined to try and re-sign a 30 year old Saros and not a 38 year old Markstrom in their longterm plans.

It's like would you rather have Tanev or Hanifin. Sure, maybe Tanev could be more impactful in the short term but Hanifin is the much more attractive asset given additional context like age.

If NJD offered Mercer + Casey + 2nd for Markstrom (@ 5million) I would say start the car ASAP because you've just committed a heist.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's like would you rather have Tanev or Hanifin. Sure, maybe Tanev could be more impactful in the short term but Hanifin is the much more attractive asset given additional context like age.

Maybe the Devils don't care if they only have him for a little over two years.

[Bingo Jr.]

Any level of retention (0-50%) involving Casey AND Mercer…

Just run and don’t look back Connie.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Some of these returns would be the single greatest haul for a goalie in the history of the league.

How often does a team trade their top goalie who has been one of the best in the league?

[traptor]

Lohrei tonight against the oilers:
3 assists, +2, TOI 23:32

He's 6'5 and 23 years old.


I think he would be a really nice piece back in a Hanifin deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

Lohrei tonight against the oilers:
3 assists, +2, TOI 23:32

He's 6'5 and 23 years old.


I think he would be a really nice piece back in a Hanifin deal.

not a star tonight...he couldn't compete with Perry and his one point

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here is what Devils and Pitchforks which is a Devils fan publication has for Saros value in a trade. Him and Markstrom have similiar value, Markstrom is actually looked at by many experts as the better goalie.

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/posts...-juuse-saros/2

So given the rumour of Rooney plus 50% retention and given this was written by a publication that clearly favours the Devils in anything they write this is what the market is.

Publications, regardless of source, do not establish what the market is. What GMs are willing to give for players establishes what the market is. When a trade is made to set what the current price is on what similar players have returned, that is what establishes the market. That is part of the problem. This year's market has yet to be established because so few trades have gone down. This is what is holding up possible deals. There is nothing for comparison. What a basement blogger has to say about one of their fever dreams has sweet #### all to do with what GMs are willing to give up for a player or establishing the marketplace. Actual comparables set the market. Its why everyone is waiting for certain players to get moved, so it will establish the marketplace and open things up.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by traptor

Lohrei tonight against the oilers:
3 assists, +2, TOI 23:32

He's 6'5 and 23 years old.


I think he would be a really nice piece back in a Hanifin deal.

That might be more of a reason NOT to get him, looking at BOS’s POV. I think the Lightning will eventually cave and offer a decent haul.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom is a fantastic goalie and he has been a top 10 goalie over the last few years.

But I think Saros would have a bit more trade value. I'm not saying enormously more. But if I was a young team I would trade for Saros over Markstrom, primarily due to age.
He's 6 years younger then Markstrom, has better career numbers and better averages in base stats over recent years. Although I would say the difference in performance isn't that drastic and they're in a similar caliber of goalie.

Saros has 1 less year but Markstrom is owed more real money, signing bonuses and has a NMC.

A trading team would probably be way more inclined to try and re-sign a 30 year old Saros and not a 38 year old Markstrom in their longterm plans.

It's like would you rather have Tanev or Hanifin. Sure, maybe Tanev could be more impactful in the short term but Hanifin is the much more attractive asset given additional context like age.

If NJD offered Mercer + Casey + 2nd for Markstrom (@ 5million) I would say start the car ASAP because you've just committed a heist.

Something that should be taken into account is the Drvils roster and their current salary structure. If Markstrom goes to the Devils, his deal will expire one year before Hischier, who will almost certainly see his salary take a big jump. If the Devils elect to go with Sarros, they may put themselves in position to face a more difficult cap structure down the road. Markstrom, now, at $2-3M, even $1M, retained is probably the more desirable asset because it should give them 2.5 years of elite goaltending at a bargain rate. Sarros can do that too but for less time and could put them in a bind down the road. Flames fans should be familiar with this scenario-Tkachuck Frolik.

It’s interesting to hear that salary retention and the value it carries is the deal breaker. It doesn’t seem like a misplaced thought that not only are the Devijs likely asking for salary retention, they could also be looking to send ‘bad’ money back in Vanechek. If that’s the case, the Glames probably should be asking for Mercer, a pick, and perhaps Casey.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Some of these returns would be the single greatest haul for a goalie in the history of the league.

Yeah. That’s what I am struggling with on these rumours. Holtz + a 2nd/1st would be a good return. Mercer + Casey + a 1st than New Jersey better winning up a cup lol. I just really don’t think Markstrom is that guy. Vanacek won’t be expensive to dump in the summer either.