2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Devils are in year 10 of their rebuild, it is still early days. Not sure there is a tonne of pressure to succeed yet.

I dunno. When the young star calls out the goaltending, it’s clear what the players want. Plus ownership wanting playoff revenues is a factor too. Jersey could go either way but unless we’re looking for a ransom, I’ll go with money being the main factor and NJ does a trade for a goaltender.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Jetfire

If we're keeping a handful of vets, I'm keeping Coleman. Other than Backlund who's older, there's nobody I'd rather have teaching younger forwards than Coleman with his two-way prowess, day in and day out professionalism and multi-time champ experience. I'm on board with this retooling movement, but there's certain guys who just have so much value to hang on to.

I agree...to a point. It's important to have good vets around but there are usually some available every year. If a team makes an offer you can't refuse, you have to make the deal.

If Dallas thought they just HAD to have Coleman, and offered Johnston, Stankoven, and a first for Coleman...you have to make the deal.

They won't, but that's not the point. Every player has a price, you just have to weigh how much he's worth to the team, vs how much is offered for him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I dunno. When the young star calls out the goaltending, it’s clear what the players want. Plus ownership wanting playoff revenues is a factor too. Jersey could go either way but unless we’re looking for a ransom, I’ll go with money being the main factor and NJ does a trade for a goaltender.

I should have used green text. The Devils play in arguably the weakest division in hockey. For sure if they can get into the top 3 they will have the weakest first round matchup of an 2 or 3 seed. With their lineup and potentially Hamilton coming back to the lineup in the playoffs they could go on a run.

Getting a goalie with term extends their timeframe by two more years. Without a goalie it looks doubtful that they will make the playoffs and if they do they could well be in a WC spot playing one of the Rangers or the Panthers/Bruins.

To me it is a no-brainer to get a goalie and get one sooner rather than later. If they are still 5 or 6 points out at the deadline they leave themselves 20 games to make that up. They almost certainly are at the part of their rebuild where they should be showing confidence in the rest of the guys and trading a third line RW or a 4th line RW with the appropriate rest of the futures to give themselves their best shot.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I should have used green text. The Devils play in arguably the weakest division in hockey. For sure if they can get into the top 3 they will have the weakest first round matchup of an 2 or 3 seed. With their lineup and potentially Hamilton coming back to the lineup in the playoffs they could go on a run.

Getting a goalie with term extends their timeframe by two more years. Without a goalie it looks doubtful that they will make the playoffs and if they do they could well be in a WC spot playing one of the Rangers or the Panthers/Bruins.

To me it is a no-brainer to get a goalie and get one sooner rather than later. If they are still 5 or 6 points out at the deadline they leave themselves 20 games to make that up. They almost certainly are at the part of their rebuild where they should be showing confidence in the rest of the guys and trading a third line RW or a 4th line RW with the appropriate rest of the futures to give themselves their best shot.

I wouldn't say weakest division. Rangers are 3rd overall in the league and Hurricanes are 8th. You get into third in the division and those are your two opponents in rounds one and two.

Last season, Devils finished third overall and had to play the second overall team (Hurricanes) in round two after beating the 107 point Rangers (9th overall) in round one.

It's also the only division where the 7th place team (Pittsburgh) still has a legit shot at the playoffs.

[Funkhouser]

I see some folks wondering who will play D for us next year with the imminent departures of Tanev & Hanifin (& others?).

The way I see it we have:
Weegar - Anderson
Kylington - X
X - Pachal
X

I suspect either Soloyov or Poirier will take the empty spot on the bottom pairing.
I also saw that Montreal will have a surplus of D next season, many of whom are not waiver eligible anymore.

Matheson - Savard
Struble - Guhle
Xhekaj - Kovacevic
Harris - Barron
Hutson - Reinbacher
Norlinder - Mailloux

I suspect we can either grab a D off waivers (I suspect Barron, Kovacevic or Norlinder will be available) or get paid to take Savard off their hands.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I wouldn't say weakest division. Rangers are 3rd overall in the league and Hurricanes are 8th. You get into third in the division and those are your two opponents in rounds one and two.

Last season, Devils finished third overall and had to play the second overall team (Hurricanes) in round two after beating the 107 point Rangers (9th overall) in round one.

It's also the only division where the 7th place team (Pittsburgh) still has a legit shot at the playoffs.

If they get into third they will in all likelihood face the 2nd place team with the least amount of points. Suspect the Oilers end up passing the Hurricanes in terms of who finishes second and gets the most points.

In the Atlantic at third place you would have to face the 3rd best team and then the best team. In the Pacific you would currently face (based on winning percentage) the 8th best team and then the 2nd best team and in the Central you would face the 6th best team and then the 5th best team. Only the Central may be weaker based on standings.

[Flames1217]

Over/under on a trade today?

[Jiggy]

Duhatschek had some interesting trade ideas on The Athletic this morning.

Arizona Coyotes trade Matt Dumba and a 2024 second-round draft choice to the Maple Leafs for Toronto’s 2024 first-rounder.
Toronto flips the second-rounder to the Calgary Flames for Chris Tanev.

Calgary Flames trade Noah Hanifin to the Boston Bruins for Matthew Poitras, a 2026 second-rounder and a 2025 third-rounder.

Ottawa Senators trade Shane Pinto to the Calgary Flames for the Vancouver Canucks’ first-round pick (acquired in the Elias Lindholm deal).

https://theathletic.com/5288500/2024...-noah-hanifin/

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Duhatschek had some interesting trade ideas on The Athletic this morning.

Arizona Coyotes trade Matt Dumba and a 2024 second-round draft choice to the Maple Leafs for Toronto’s 2024 first-rounder.
Toronto flips the second-rounder to the Calgary Flames for Chris Tanev.

Calgary Flames trade Noah Hanifin to the Boston Bruins for Matthew Poitras, a 2026 second-rounder and a 2025 third-rounder.

Ottawa Senators trade Shane Pinto to the Calgary Flames for the Vancouver Canucks’ first-round pick (acquired in the Elias Lindholm deal).

https://theathletic.com/5288500/2024...-noah-hanifin/

I wouldn't be mad about any of those.

[Toonage]

So Toronto would spend their 1st rounder on Dumba but not Tanev? But Dumba makes more and would require more retention?

Edit - Dumba makes less, still don't like the deal

Pinto deal makes sense.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I dunno. When the young star calls out the goaltending, it’s clear what the players want. Plus ownership wanting playoff revenues is a factor too. Jersey could go either way but unless we’re looking for a ransom, I’ll go with money being the main factor and NJ does a trade for a goaltender.

Without saying too much, I can personally say that the people behind Harris Blitzer sports group that owns NJ have a limit to their patience. My connection to them is not through hockey. But I know that results are expected. There is pressure for sure.

Back to me being a hockey fan that is spit-balling.....I can see them ending up with a goalie this year like Markstrom or Saros.

[Badgers Nose]

Nvm

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So Toronto would spend their 1st rounder on Dumba but not Tanev? But Dumba makes more and would require more retention?

Pinto deal makes sense.

The whole point of it for the leafs is they essentially get both dmen by spending their first. That would actually be a good move by them imo

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Duhatschek had some interesting trade ideas on The Athletic this morning.

Arizona Coyotes trade Matt Dumba and a 2024 second-round draft choice to the Maple Leafs for Toronto’s 2024 first-rounder.
Toronto flips the second-rounder to the Calgary Flames for Chris Tanev.

Calgary Flames trade Noah Hanifin to the Boston Bruins for Matthew Poitras, a 2026 second-rounder and a 2025 third-rounder.

Ottawa Senators trade Shane Pinto to the Calgary Flames for the Vancouver Canucks’ first-round pick (acquired in the Elias Lindholm deal).

https://theathletic.com/5288500/2024...-noah-hanifin/

Tanev for only a second (even if the top third of the round) feels a bit light to me. I don't like it.


Poitras is a very good young player, and to come in and put up decent points right out of the gate is impressive. Still feels light without a first though, but I wouldn't hate it.


I am just not sure what Toronto accomplishes by dropping 12 or 14 spots' worth to acquire Dumba. It almost feels like Dumba has negative value at this point as he isn't playing well defensively or offensively.



Pinto is worth more than a late first - I can't imagine Ottawa doing that, but that's a home-run for Calgary if they can swing it.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I listened to the Seravalli interview with Steinberg. He said if Toronto is giving up their first, it’s for Andersson, not Tanev. Hahaha

I also don’t really buy that Hanifin has targeted the Lightning but wouldn’t be willing to sign with Florida.

Seravalli can go #### his Oilers hat!! Don't know what his issue is but he has been actively and publicly trying to sewer the Flames trade chip values for weeks now. The next time they have him on Fan 960, someone needs to man up and have the balls to ask him what the hell his issue is.

[Badgers Nose]

nvm clearly need more coffee

[dieHARDflameZ]

I really hope Duhatschek is way off base here. There is no world in my mind where Hanifin doesn't get you a first rounder + + in any type of package.

The Toronto stuff kills me. If they aren't willing to pony up their first for Tanev, I would look elsewhere. Don't even consider doing a favour for Brad.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I really hope Duhatschek is way off base here. There is no world in my mind where Hanifin doesn't get you a first rounder + + in any type of package.

The Toronto stuff kills me. If they aren't willing to pony up their first for Tanev, I would look elsewhere. Don't even consider doing a favour for Brad.

In a world where teams didn't think Hanafin was anything but a pure rental? Sure. But you have to think if that was the case he's at training camp last fall with another team.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

The whole point of it for the leafs is they essentially get both dmen by spending their first. That would actually be a good move by them imo

Spend more picks for 2 RHD UFAs? What about their cap?

CF has their deadline cap at around $1.3M

Tanev makes $4.5M and Dumba makes $3.9M

TO needs to subtract rom their roster.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Duhatschek had some interesting trade ideas on The Athletic this morning.

Arizona Coyotes trade Matt Dumba and a 2024 second-round draft choice to the Maple Leafs for Toronto’s 2024 first-rounder.
Toronto flips the second-rounder to the Calgary Flames for Chris Tanev.

Calgary Flames trade Noah Hanifin to the Boston Bruins for Matthew Poitras, a 2026 second-rounder and a 2025 third-rounder.

Ottawa Senators trade Shane Pinto to the Calgary Flames for the Vancouver Canucks’ first-round pick (acquired in the Elias Lindholm deal).

https://theathletic.com/5288500/2024...-noah-hanifin/

The Ottawa trade is a no brainer. The best part about the Hanifin deal is that it hopefully makes the Flames think about drafting a dman in the first round this year because they would be getting 2 centers if those trades went through. But the Hanifin trade seems super light.