2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Getting Holtz feels like getting Sven Baertschi at the 2015 deadline. High draft pick pedigree that is an offensive first guy, has middling numbers at the NHL level and a team is just hoping he can come through in a different environment. Sven was traded in his D+4 year as well and he returned a 2nd round pick. Holtz might be slightly better than Sven was but not by much. There are 14 forwards taken in the first round in 2020 that have better numbers than him. I doubt Conroy bites on that package, it is pretty mediocre.

Would you rather have a late 1st or Holtz?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Would you rather have a late 1st or Holtz?

Late first.

[Monahammer]

Holtz is currently on ~20 goal pace playing 11 mins a game on a lower line. That is a silly position. He's worth more than a late 1st easily.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Getting Holtz feels like getting Sven Baertschi at the 2015 deadline. High draft pick pedigree that is an offensive first guy, has middling numbers at the NHL level and a team is just hoping he can come through in a different environment. Sven was traded in his D+4 year as well and he returned a 2nd round pick. Holtz might be slightly better than Sven was but not by much. There are 14 forwards taken in the first round in 2020 that have better numbers than him. I doubt Conroy bites on that package, it is pretty mediocre.

"middling" define middling. He is 21 and is on pace to score 20 goals in the NHL this season playing lower line minutes.

Edit: he just turned 22 I guess! But still.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Late first.

I’d take Holtz all day long.

[dammage79]

Loading up on RHS RW is a take for the Flames.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Have you heard any new details on the Devils/Markstrom interest...feels a bit like it's stalled out again.

The price the Flames want for retention on Markstrom is Casey, the Devils want another asset back to include him. That is the only new thing I got that I haven't already said about Markstrom. Guys, we are 3 weeks out, teams are going to try to squeeze the new GM on the block still. I am not worried at all about returns on anyone at this point. In regards to Markstrom either someone will pony up or he will still be here and they can look at it again at the end of the year. In regards to Tanev they will get the right deal for him, there are enough teams in it that someone is going to panic and pay a 1st. I think someone probably heard Hanifin say playing in TB would be pretty nice and twisted that into that is where he wants to sign and FS ran with it. I think Hanifin is open to playing in multiple markets, not just TB. I am sure he isn't going to not sign with Boston for example. It is way too early to panic.

[Robbob]

Yeah, a late first probably has 20% chance of turning into a player as productive as Holtz. But I get it, some people want to try and swing for the fences and try to get a player like Pastrnak. Which probably happens once a decade.

[dammage79]

Well, Holtz can track into a Pasta Lite. 20g pace on 11 minutes average ice time is kind of a thing.

[Poe969]

We're Flames fans, it's ever too early to panic! A lot of us are already worried about losing ext years draft pick and we haven't even finished this year.

[devo22]

would absolutely love to get Casey. With him and Brzustewicz, RHD suddenly goes from weakness to strength in the prospect pool.

Wheeler just recently had him at 2 in the Devils prospect pool, only behind Nemec.

Casey, the 27th-ranked prospect on my 2022 draft board, had a bit of an up-and-down draft season, with a strong start and finish briefly overcast by some struggles in the middle which prompted some scouts to question his top-two-round merits and his decision-making. I really liked the Devils taking a swing on him in the second round, though, and he has sure looked like a top-two-round guy as a freshman and sophomore at Michigan, where he has shone as a real catalyst from the back end with the puck and in distribution.

I really like a lot of his tools in isolation. When he’s on, there’s an unmistakable flow to his game where the puck just moves through him to its next destination within the pace of play, whether that’s a heady outlet out of a D-to-D pass or a quick carry into a cross-ice pass to allow his teammates to get open for him. Inside the offensive zone, he can make things happen with his blend of mobility and handling (he walks the line effortlessly but he also handles the puck like a forward one-on-one). He stops and cuts back on a dime to easily lose tracking forwards. He skates so well (though better on his edges than in a straight race). Inside the defensive zone, he thrives escaping past pressure.

He looks effortless out there at times, weaving in and out of coverage, and mixing in delays and fakes with the puck to create space for himself or take it from others. He’s a fabulous puck transporter through neutral ice and a tactile player inside the offensive zone, where his footwork shines through. He’s undersized, but his feet and stick help compensate and he has made his fair share of stops in college. He does a good job gaining inside positioning in nose-to-nose battles for pucks defensively and while he’ll lose some physical engagements he has shown he’ll engage willingly (he’s never going to be the strongest player out there, though he is a good athlete). He can also comfortably play his off-side (the left side), providing added versatility. I expect him to get signed out of college and if things break right, he’s got top-six, PP2 potential with the right coach/belief (though Hughes and Nemec will make his climb with the Devils harder than it would be in most other places).

[Groot]

I would much rather see Casey than Holtz. 35 points in 30 games at Michigan. RHD, 20 years old. Will be buried in NJ depth but could get an opportunity with Calgary very quickly.

In an ideal world we move Hanifin as well and get both Holtz and Casey, as I think both have huge upside.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The price the Flames want for retention on Markstrom is Casey, the Devils want another asset back to include him. That is the only new thing I got that I haven't already said about Markstrom. Guys, we are 3 weeks out, teams are going to try to squeeze the new GM on the block still. I am not worried at all about returns on anyone at this point. In regards to Markstrom either someone will pony up or he will still be here and they can look at it again at the end of the year. In regards to Tanev they will get the right deal for him, there are enough teams in it that someone is going to panic and pay a 1st. I think someone probably heard Hanifin say playing in TB would be pretty nice and twisted that into that is where he wants to sign and FS ran with it. I think Hanifin is open to playing in multiple markets, not just TB. I am sure he isn't going to not sign with Boston for example. It is way too early to panic.

Markstrom (w/retention)
Rooney (Devils need a 4th line C)

for

Mercer
1st
Casey
Vanecek

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The price the Flames want for retention on Markstrom is Casey, the Devils want another asset back to include him. That is the only new thing I got that I haven't already said about Markstrom. Guys, we are 3 weeks out, teams are going to try to squeeze the new GM on the block still. I am not worried at all about returns on anyone at this point. In regards to Markstrom either someone will pony up or he will still be here and they can look at it again at the end of the year. In regards to Tanev they will get the right deal for him, there are enough teams in it that someone is going to panic and pay a 1st. I think someone probably heard Hanifin say playing in TB would be pretty nice and twisted that into that is where he wants to sign and FS ran with it. I think Hanifin is open to playing in multiple markets, not just TB. I am sure he isn't going to not sign with Boston for example. It is way too early to panic.

Thanks for info. Any word if Mercer is on the table for devils? I know Calgary is interested in him not sure devils want to give him up

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I wonder what we are talking about for retention.
If it is Markstrom (900k retained)---> Holtz, Vanacek, Casey and a 2024 1st (top ten protected), the cap hit is neutral for this year and next.

[getoverit]

If NJ wants another asset? Wonder who that could be. Greer would have been my choice but not an option.

The good news is NJ is still alive

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Groot

I would much rather see Casey than Holtz. 35 points in 30 games at Michigan. RHD, 20 years old. Will be buried in NJ depth but could get an opportunity with Calgary very quickly.

In an ideal world we move Hanifin as well and get both Holtz and Casey, as I think both have huge upside.

I think what diss means is that Casey is an additional asset for retention. So if Markstrom returns a holtz, 1st, prospect and Vanecek, Conroy wants Casey added if there is retention

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well, Holtz can track into a Pasta Lite. 20g pace on 11 minutes average ice time is kind of a thing.

Just did a bit of a deep dive on players picked in 25th, 26th, and 27th.

I would take a player like Holtz every day and twice on Sunday. It is too much of a crap shoot. I know it is the wrong sport, but take the double or triple instead of trying to get a home run.

Holtz is also drafted in the top half of the draft. Probably not going out on a limb suggesting he will have a more productive NHL career vs the field of 1st round picks (25-32).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because a couple of nobodies threw out a couple lowball offers for clicks on the Athletic? Lol, ok. Just like Lindholm wasn't getting much either huh?

When I said depressing, I meant the comment by SuperMatt that Lucic could have been shipped to Anaheim.

[Rick M.]

I’m sure Conroy would prefer a centre (Mercer) to another winger (Holtz).