2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You okay with a conditional 2026 1st round pick? That's not ideal.

Replace 1st with Samokevich and you are talking

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Replace 1st with Samokevich and you are talking

Hmm...It's not impossible, but that's a big ask for basically their two best young forwards. It would have to come with a signed Hanifin, nothing less.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Hmm...It's not impossible, but that's a big ask for basically their two best young forwards. It would have to come with a signed Hanifin, nothing less.

I think that's the only way he goes to FLA. Signed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No I’ll take the 1st. Having a stockpile of picks would be awesome. You can do so much with it.

[Nelson]

I’d do a conditional 26 1st and Lundell as the foundation of a deal

[dammage79]

Lundell and Lucas Carlsson (26 year old LHD) ?

That'd probably work.

Lundell carries immense value to FLA. And we know Conroy covets him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who is Shamekovich? I’m guessing a prospect?

Also Lundell production has been going down every year.

[Nelson]

I bet it helps that Calgary and Florida have made a big deal in the past.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who is Shamekovich? I’m guessing a prospect?

Also Lundell production has been going down every year.

Mackey Sam-o-skevich is an average sized forward Rhs RW. 30p in 36 gp. Lysell and him are similar.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Lundell and Lucas Carlsson (26 year old LHD) ?

That'd probably work.

Lundell carries immense value to FLA. And we know Conroy covets him.

We do?

Not that I doubt it but I don’t recall hearing anything specific on Lundell. Perhaps the Flames wanted Lundell in his draft year but k don’t think hockey executives make much of a habit commenting on other teams players, especially on potential trades.

[devo22]

if it's not 1st alongside Lundell, I'll also take a B prospect like Gracyn Sawchyn along with a lower pick. 2nd rounder this past draft, right-handed center and a Western Canadian boy.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TOfan

We do?

Not that I doubt it but I don’t recall hearing anything specific on Lundell. Perhaps the Flames wanted Lundell in his draft year but k don’t think hockey executives make much of a habit commenting on other teams players, especially on potential trades.

It's been rumored here plenty. And if you want to take it from the horses mouth he said they want a skilled under 24 years old center.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who is Shamekovich? I’m guessing a prospect?

Also Lundell production has been going down every year.

Matthew "Mackie" Samoskevich, a former 1st round (#24) in 2021. Also a former teammate of Coronato with the Chicago Steel. Represented the U.S. at the World Juniors in 2022.

He's a decent prospect, but he would probably be below Coronato on the Flames prospect depth chart. They are the same age, born just a day apart from each other.

[Sandman]

My Profile of Samoskevich from 2021:

C/RW Mackie Samoskevich, 5'11"190lbs (Chicago Steel,USHL): Seems I'm writing about the Steel a lot lately. Here's a kid we should all look at. He plays on the top two lines, mostly with Coronato and Middendorf. We all know and love Coronato, but I just read an article that put forth some interesting facts to suggest that Mackie is as good, or better as a prospect than Coronato.

First of all, at 5 on 5, Samoskevich produced 1.9 expected goals/60 vs. Coronato's 1.93-so pretty negligible. Samoskevich had 1.31 expected primary assists vs. Coronato's 1.28. Samoskevich had 37pts in 36 games, while Coronato had 85 in 51. Don't get me wrong, Coronato will still go higher on draft day.

Coronato relies on a high volume of shots off solo rushes-a skill that doesn't translate, as most player's shots are assisted. 50% of his scoring chances, and 69% of his shots were unassisted. Samoskevich avoids low-percentage and solo shots (only 27% of his shots).

Samoskevich is more efficient in transition. His puck-control is special, with near perfect mechanics, a limitless arsenal of moves, and layers of deception on every manoever. Few players can can make defenders commit their weight,or freeze entirely in transition like him. 23% of his entries cross the "dot zone"(imagine two parallel lines that run from the defensive zone faceoff dots to the offensive zone faceoff dots), which shows the east-west in his north-south attacks when gaining the zone. Only 4% of Coronato's entries accomplished this feat. Coronato is always on his inside edges with the puck in front. instead of across his hips (like Samo), forcing him to deke through traffic, and therefore making him easier to push to the perimeter. Samoskevich's puckhandling, pace, and patience are more translatable, and have more upside. In expected goals shot or set up, Coronato (6th in the league, 3rd amongst draft eligibles) and Samo (6th and 4th) are very close.

Samoskevich is mostly a pure offensive player, mainly seeing O-zone starts, but he's still reliable in his own end in the sense that can pass it, or carry it himself on breakouts. Some of his decisions in the D zone can be questionable, and a little risky. When he's on the ice the zone entries mostly come from him. He has poise, patience, and creates a ton of high danger chances.

Samo's stickhandling and skating are his most impressive attributes. He could skate and stickhandle in a phone booth. He can get up to blazing speed in only a few strides, and can evade and embarrass even the best defenders with his elusiveness, agility, and puckhandling. His edgework makes him unpredictable, and he's strong on his skates-you can't knock him of the puck, or take it away from him. He can find teammates with pinpoint passes in flight, and has one of the best releases in the draft. One article compares his style to Marner, but he reminds me of Barzal. One of the fastest in this draft.

I've seen him mostly in the second round, but I bet he goes in the first.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's been rumored here plenty. And if you want to take it from the horses mouth he said they want a skilled under 24 years old center.

Rumor, or fan speculation?

If the Flames make a trade with the Panthers, I don’t doubt Lundell would be a target but I’m not convinced Conroy is the one approaching Zito about Hanifin. Wanting a C under 24 is a pretty wide net to cast. There are probably several of these players Conroy would have his eyes on.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Rumor, or fan speculation?

If the Flames make a trade with the Panthers, I don’t doubt Lundell would be a target but I’m not convinced Conroy is the one approaching Zito about Hanifin. Wanting a C under 24 is a pretty wide net to cast. There are probably several of these players Conroy would have his eyes on.

Well Sec214 has been saying it for the entire season so.... however you choose to identify the information provided. Have at it. To me, that's rumor and not speculation.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well Sec214 has been saying it for the entire season so.... however you choose to identify the information provided. Have at it. To me, that's rumor and not speculation.

It does make sense. If I were Conroy and talking to Florida about Hanifin, that’s the first name I’m asking for.

I had not caught any specific rumor or anything as strong as ‘Conroy covers Lundell’

[Nelson]

I agree. Conroy wanting Lundell makes sense. He’s Zary years old. He fits the idea of trying to retool quickly.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I agree. Conroy wanting Lundell makes sense. He’s Zary years old. He fits the idea of trying to retool quickly.

It takes longer to do things quickly, costs more to do them cheaply, and more democratic to do them in secret.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It takes longer to do things quickly, costs more to do them cheaply, and it’s more democratic to do them in secret.

That’s an interesting quote. I think Conroy wants to get young players so the team can turn it around relatively quickly, but I don’t see that as mutually exclusive with doing things well. Conroy can also draft lots and draft well.