Job Advice

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Chobyhy

Geez who needs a job...

Jobs are for suckers.

[Jayems]

Would it be easier to call in sick to the interview, or are your days M-F 9-5 or whatever it is office people work... that is, of course, assuming your in an office job.

Because if not, you can just call in sick to the interview, and reschedule. Thats what i'd do. If you've already asked your current employer that you wanted the day off, i doubt they'd fall for the "oh, yeah, i'm sick" excuse. I think that option went out the window when they told you that you can't have it off.

Makes me glad that I can tell my boss that I need a day off, he lets me. Maybe thats because he knows im not going anywhere until school starts again...

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Would it be easier to call in sick to the interview, or are your days M-F 9-5 or whatever it is office people work... that is, of course, assuming your in an office job.

I'm in Van, and he's coming from Edm to do interviews on that day. If I call in sick I've missed my shot.
Plus if the position is important to me, I should battle through a little sickness anyway. I'm sure he's see it that way.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm in Van, and he's coming from Edm to do interviews on that day. If I call in sick I've missed my shot.
Plus if the position is important to me, I should battle through a little sickness anyway. I'm sure he's see it that way.

Looks like a TSN "All in" moment.. lol

What are the odds of you getting the job if you meet the other guy? (sorry if that has been asked, too lazy to go back and look)

Time to risk take. If you really want that job, tell your other employer that you just can't make it in. If they fire you, well, that may be a risk you have to take to have the CHANCE at the other one. If you win, well, gravy train, but are you prepared to lose the job you just got in order to have a shot at the other?

If you can say yes, then go for it. If you can get around it without being fired, well done.

I read in a paper this afternoon in Hussar, AB:

He then told the story about monkeys becoming a
problem in some countries.
Holt said that often countries put a box with a hole
in one side of it and a treat inside the box. The monkey
reaches in to grab the treat and gets his hand stuck, so he
is caught.
“The monkey would rather sacrifice his future then
let go of that treat,” Holt said.

Its funny, because that was me to a tee. I would just be happy I had something, but knew there was more out there. I just dragged around with one job, but knew that there was more for me.. a better opportunity, and better life. I took a risk.. well, I took about 10 before I found out the right one. Or what I currently believe is the right one

That is just me anyway.

[ericschand]

Am I the only one thinking that he should stick with Job B?

I know that he really wants Job A, but aside from quitting on B,
ethically and morally there's nothing he can do.

Job B is presenting him with training, costing them time and money, and
he may leave. Of course they won't want him going to Job A
for an interview. Heck, as a manager I'd be pissed, and question
your lack of integrity. By accepting the position, you gave me
your word on commitment. Now in the middle of training you
want me to let you attempt another company?

If you really really want Job A, quit Job B now. If you don't care either
way, stick to your commitment to Job B.

ers

[ericschand]

In hindsight, here is a better option.

When you were receiving offers from Company B, C, D, etc,
you should phone Company A, and say, "I really like what I
see from your company, what I have heard, etc. However,
I am receiving offers from other companies, and we need
to fast-track the interview. I really want to work for you,
hence this phone call. Can we work something out for an
earlier interview?"

At the same time you tell the other companies that you need
a couple or few days to "think about it." [They all will understand
you are shopping other jobs, so don't think you are hiding it :-) ]
Very very few companies will tell you to go away if you are
"thinking about it." Those that do, do you really want to work there?

Get the earlier interview, let them know about other offers, once
again telling them you want their job, and they will fast-track
the hiring process.

No earlier interview? They weren't serious about you.

ers

[Flashpoint]

Since Job B is willing to fire you for taking a sick day (what happens if you are actually sick on that day?!!), you should quit and do the interview with Job A.

Job B sounds like a crappy place to work, you have an interview for something better, and even if you don't get Job A, at least you can say you tried.

No risk, no reward.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

-Job A is a lot better then job B. I don't want to do anything to mess up my chances with job A. That's why I'm hesitant to even ask about rescheduling.
The guy doing the interview may only be in town for that 1 day, and he may be booked up the rest of the day. I want him to feel that I'm fully commited to and interested in the position and I'm worried asking for another time doesn't show that.

I think you have already answered yourself here. If 'A' is the one that you want and you won't be happy at 'B' then you must say no to 'B'. Don't pull any shenanigans just be honest and tell the truth. People will appreciate that you think you deserve better and that you aren't willing to accept less. It shows character. Never compromise just so you can make the bills. Aim high dude and you may be glad you did.

[RedHot25]

Another factor you need to consider is finances. I.e. do you need the $$ so that you cannot have a job, or can you hold off for a little bit, or? Also, are you in Vancouver for the foreseeable future now, etc? The answers to those questions might help you...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Since Job B is willing to fire you for taking a sick day (what happens if you are actually sick on that day?!!), you should quit and do the interview with Job A.

Job B sounds like a crappy place to work, you have an interview for something better, and even if you don't get Job A, at least you can say you tried.

No risk, no reward.

Maybe the reason Job B won't allow sick days is because employees lie about needing to take them.

[Muta]

On a related note, anyone else read that article in the Herald today about recent graduates making obscene amounts of money?

I have a business degree for U of C (Class of '06) and I'm not sure where these kids are finding these kinds of offers! The paper is making it seem like you just need to snap your fingers to get a new job... not true at all.

[SeeGeeWhy]

What sort of work is this? I don't think I understand the nature of the industry... what is and isn't acceptable changes a bit depending on the job, IMO.

Muta, haven't you heard? The kids of baby boomers are the most demanding generation yet... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu.../28/100033934/

[tkflames]

Here is a question although obvious has not been clarrified. Are you looking for job A/B to provide you with a summer job (temporary employment) or long term (carreer) employment. If you are just looking for a summer job then see all of the above solutions that include being honest with company A and going to training with B. If you are looking for a carreer based job, trust you me, you never want to pick your second best option. This is a company/position where you could spend much of your next few years and it is not worth working for a company like that when there are plenty of opportunities available in Calgary right now. You would be better off taking a temporary "money-making" job and holding out for the job you want (job A or one like it down the road) rather than running around with B and really putting yourself out of the loop for the job you really desire.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

What sort of work is this? I don't think I understand the nature of the industry... what is and isn't acceptable changes a bit depending on the job, IMO.

Muta, haven't you heard? The kids of baby boomers are the most demanding generation yet... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu.../28/100033934/

Great article, SeeGeeWhy... I can completely relate to it (I'm smack in the middle of the Generation they are talking about), but I guess I have yet to tap into the "graduate demand" that all these companies are supposedly involved with...

[Winsor_Pilates]

Thanks for all the advice.

I went to day 1 of training for Job B and didn't really like the position anyway, so I quit and am going all in for job A.

Hope it pays off

I find the variety of advice in this thread pretty interesting. It goes to show the vastly different way people view work situations.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Let us know if you get Job A

[Dan02]

Well not that it matters any more, but right now its a employees market out there. For the most part you dictate the terms.

Tell job B that you have a previous commitment on that day that you can't get out of and if they can't work around that, then you'll be unable to work with them. You're giving job Bs dick to much control over the situation. Assuming they're as desperate for quality employees as most places around town, they'll fold almost every time.

Now if the job market were a little different right now or it was a hard to get job the approach migth be a wee bit different.

Just outta curiousity what industry were the jobs you were applying for in?

[ericschand]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Thanks for all the advice.

I went to day 1 of training for Job B and didn't really like the position anyway, so I quit and am going all in for job A.

Hope it pays off

I find the variety of advice in this thread pretty interesting. It goes to show the vastly different way people view work situations.

Good luck! I' rootin' that you made the right choice.

Post to keep us informed.

ers

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Well not that it matters any more, but right now its a employees market out there. For the most part you dictate the terms.

Tell job B that you have a previous commitment on that day that you can't get out of and if they can't work around that, then you'll be unable to work with them. You're giving job Bs dick to much control over the situation. Assuming they're as desperate for quality employees as most places around town, they'll fold almost every time.

Now if the job market were a little different right now or it was a hard to get job the approach migth be a wee bit different.

Just outta curiousity what industry were the jobs you were applying for in?

Im in Van, so the employers aren't desperate by any meens. The jobs are both sales related but in very different industries. I don't wanna say too much incase some of them read here.

For the one I really want, I have an "in" as my friend does the same job in CGY and recommended me to his boss.

So, hopefully I made the right choice and I will post an update after the interview.