[Rumour] Friedman: Hanifin headed to market; Markstrom waiting

[Jiri Hrdina]

I know people don't like Pronman, or at least many don't, but I think his tiering makes a lot of sense.

Goes something like this

Generational player
Bubble Generation/Elite NHL Player (this is how he classified Bedard)
Elite
All star
Top of the lineup
Bubble top and middle of the lineup
Middle of the lineup
Projected to play
Has a chance to play

To me that's a sensible way to tier. There should be VERY few generational players, and instead the term that should be used is franchise.

[CliffFletcher]

I’d break it down to concrete numbers.

Generational: 2-3 of them in the league at any given time (Crosby, McDavid)

Franchise: 7-9 in the league (Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin, Matthews, Karlsson, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Makar, Bedard?)

[sss1]

I thought Bedard had unanimously been considered as the Successor of McJesus.

[Freeway]

Anyway, scouts *loved* the 2023 class, and were telling their GMs for years in advance "Please don't trade away early picks." Scouts merely *like* the 2024 class and aren't as adamant about having as many picks.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by sss1

I thought Bedard had unanimously been considered as the Successor of McJesus.

I thought each Connor had a chance to become the successor to Crosby, once they win something relevant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know people don't like Pronman, or at least many don't, but I think his tiering makes a lot of sense.

Goes something like this

Generational player
Bubble Generation/Elite NHL Player (this is how he classified Bedard)
Elite
All star
Top of the lineup
Bubble top and middle of the lineup
Middle of the lineup
Projected to play
Has a chance to play

To me that's a sensible way to tier. There should be VERY few generational players, and instead the term that should be used is franchise.

Bubble generational is a weird one. I think that should be black and white as it can get.

Like a player like Kucherov and Mackinnon are they generational or franchise players? I would say franchise and a guy like McDavid is almost a once in a lifetime talent.

[dammage79]

Mac has always been and always will be a generational talent.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Bubble generational is a weird one. I think that should be black and white as it can get.

Like a player like Kucherov and Mackinnon are they generational or franchise players? I would say franchise and a guy like McDavid is almost a once in a lifetime talent.

I would call all 3 of those guys bubble generational.
Only Crosby is truly generational of anyone playing right now IMO.

Makar, Bedard and McDavid could get there, but need more time and/or more winning.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I know people don't like Pronman, or at least many don't, but I think his tiering makes a lot of sense.

Goes something like this

Generational player
Bubble Generation/Elite NHL Player (this is how he classified Bedard)
Elite
All star
Top of the lineup
Bubble top and middle of the lineup
Middle of the lineup
Projected to play
Has a chance to play

To me that's a sensible way to tier. There should be VERY few generational players, and instead the term that should be used is franchise.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I would call all 3 of those guys bubble generational.
Only Crosby is truly generational of anyone playing right now IMO.

Makar, Bedard and McDavid could get there, but need more time and/or more winning.

I don’t know about that. Without McDavid the Oilers are probably a 35 win team.

I think the ranking is based off just talent.

Makar is a generational talent as well. The speed, skating, and offensive ability without being a defensive liability is nuts.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don’t know about that. Without McDavid the Oilers are probably a 35 win team.

I think the ranking is based off just talent.

Makar is a generational talent as well. The speed, skating, and offensive ability without being a defensive liability is nuts.

Fair, I guess we're talking about rankings before they even play in the NHL.

I'm talking more generational player & I don't put McDavid there yet.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Fair, I guess we're talking about rankings before they even play in the NHL.

I'm talking more generational player & I don't put McDavid there yet.

……the guy is considered to be in the conversation for the best player/most skilled ever. He’s more than generational and I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t win at least one cup whether that’s in Edmonton or somewhere else.

[jg13]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1759676425542553915

https://twitter.com/user/status/1759685200861188318

[Pekkerhead]

Please let it not be in Edmonton.

[Pekkerhead]

Hate his guts but you can’t deny he’s a generation talent.

[musth]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don’t know about that. Without McDavid (and the refs and the media hype and the underhanded retirement deals) the Oilers are probably a 35 win team.

Fixed that.

Look at him when he's not getting every advantage.

He's no Crosby or even MacKinnon

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1759676425542553915

https://twitter.com/user/status/1759685200861188318

1 Anton Lundell, please.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Pekkerhead

Hate his guts but you can’t deny he’s a generation talent.

Honestly, he's the best combination of talent I've ever seen. The 80s had laughs for goaltenders. McDavid is working his way to the best player ever in my mind with his speed and shot/pass. It's something else, I don't even care if he's up north...he's something else.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Honestly, he's the best combination of talent I've ever seen. The 80s had laughs for goaltenders. McDavid is working his way to the best player ever in my mind with his speed and shot/pass. It's something else, I don't even care if he's up north...he's something else.

He's generational and he may end up top 5 at some point. He's not there yet. He can't yet hold Crosby's jockstrap let alone Gretzky or Orr. Let me know when he wins multiple cups. He's definitely an offensive dynamo, but so far that's it. Not a proven leader or winner.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I would call all 3 of those guys bubble generational.
Only Crosby is truly generational of anyone playing right now IMO.

Makar, Bedard and McDavid could get there, but need more time and/or more winning.

Makar won everything in his first full season. He'll probably get another 1-2, maybe even this year if the AVs get Marky and Tanev.

Hanifin is entering his prime, having a career season - he should get AT LEAST what Lindholm did.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I mean I get it he’s easy to dislike and has no personality but common.

He’s the best offensive player we have probably seen. I don’t think winning is part of the talent package.

I think we are talking purely talent here.

I feel disgusted having to defend an Oiler player.