2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Oops you're right the salaries would work this year. Still the other points stand, it doesn't seem like a move that makes a lot of sense from Florida's POV.

Hanifin is most valuable piece by far.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

How many trades traditionally happen 3 weeks or more before the deadline. My recollection is one or two a year. He already has pulled one off (half of what I would call the substantial trades that have happened this year). Not sure Conroy needs to work on a timeline that is expedited, especially if it is adverse to the eventual return. I hope he gets them done sooner but would prefer a better return vis-a-vis any bad blood with players who get grumpy.

Deadline day has turned out to be a bust the past couple years because all of the big name talent was moved prior to deadline day. Teams appear to understand that making a deal for the talent earlier is beneficial to their push to the post season.

https://thehockeywriters.com/2023-nh...dline-tracker/
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[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Hanifin is most valuable piece by far.

Sure he is more valuable than Lundell alone. But from Florida's POV he is a pending UFA who they can't afford to extend and plays a position where they already are crowded. While being 2nd in the league in GA. This type of move doesn't tick a lot of boxes for them.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Getting defense is not some easy task and virtually is the same as top forwards you need to draft them. Goaltending also is pretty tough to come by so while Toronto drafted some high end forwards who are stars they probably should have used more of those high picks on blueliners.


Toronto is also stuck in the spot where they are trading picks for win now guys which limits their prospect pool and that’s among the only ways to get cheap depth when you have 4 players making $11M+

Building an elite hockey team is a challenge. But the tanking/rebuilding part for Toronto provided them with their best players. So to point a finger at them and say look tanking/rebuilding doesn't work is false. The tanking/rebuilding part worked. Their failure was their inability to use other methods to build the team. In fact, you could argue that the only thing they did correctly was the tanking/rebuild part, which they actually hit out of the park.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Sure he is more valuable than Lundell alone. But from Florida's POV he is a pending UFA who they can't afford to extend and plays a position where they already are crowded. While being 2nd in the league in GA. This type of move doesn't tick a lot of boxes for them.

You’re sure they couldn’t find a way to re-sign him? I don’t think you know that. My personal opinion is that of the re-signings, he’d take 2nd priority after Reinhart. But my personal opinion doesn’t actually matter.

[memphusk]

Reinhart really feels like a Skinner situation in my eyes. I would be careful on that one.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I have this sick feeling that we have all grossly overestimated what’s going to happen this trade deadline with our trade chips. I think below is more likely.

For Hanifin …….. BOS Geekie + Lohrei + 2025 3rd (would rather Isaac Howard + 2026 1st from TB)

For Tanev ………. DAL 2024 2nd + Gavin White (would rather 2025 2nd + Filip Johanssen from VAN)

For Markstrom ……… No Trade (Would rather Holtz + Casey + 2025 2nd from NJ)

I've never wavered from the original value thought so my expectations are still where they were a few months ago.

Lindholm's deal exceeded expectations which is great, but I avoid the roller coaster.

Lindholm and Hanifin for 1st, player, prospect
Hanifin for a 2nd

See what happens.

Biggest thing is avoiding extensions on 29 year old players, and facing the fact that they needed to make changes.

The Lindholm trade likely makes the total for all three work out at or above expectations.

Markstrom the interesting variable.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Deadline day has turned out to be a bust the past couple years because all of the big name talent was moved prior to deadline day. Teams appear to understand that making a deal for the talent earlier is beneficial to their push to the post season.

https://thehockeywriters.com/2023-nh...dline-tracker/
https://thehockeywriters.com/2022-tr...-deal-tracker/

So going back 19 days from those two deadlines (which is what we are now) last year there were two trades the Horvat trade and the Tarasenko trade. The year before there was one the Toffoli trade. Not many trades get made this far out, Conroy has made one of them already. If it is deadline day and Conroy still has not made the next move that would be one thing, but this far out trades don’t often get made.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Nelson

You’re sure they couldn’t find a way to re-sign him? I don’t think you know that. My personal opinion is that of the re-signings, he’d take 2nd priority after Reinhart. But my personal opinion doesn’t actually matter.

They could re-sign him. But then they would have to let Montour go and I don't see the point in that, letting a known commodity go that has worked very well for them. Seems like a lateral move at best.

What comes to their re-signings, I think Forsling is as important or more than Reinhart, who's having a monster year but has historically been a less than PPG forward. But hey, if Calgary could get that package then great, it just doesn't seem like a move from Florida's POV that makes sense right now. Maybe in the summer as a UFA in case they let someone like Montour go.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Reinhart really feels like a Skinner situation in my eyes. I would be careful on that one.

I don't think it's nearly as risky as the Skinner situation is. Reinhart is a super smart player and play and awesome two-way game, I think his game will age well. That being said if someone pays him based on this year alone, big oof.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So going back 19 days from those two deadlines (which is what we are now) last year there were two trades the Horvat trade and the Tarasenko trade. The year before there was one the Toffoli trade. Not many trades get made this far out, Conroy has made one of them already. If it is deadline day and Conroy still has not made the next move that would be one thing, but this far out trades don’t often get made.

You're focusing on quantity rather than quality. The best players were moved early while a whole bunch of trash was moved around on deadline day.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Saqe

They could re-sign him. But then they would have to let Montour go and I don't see the point in that, letting a known commodity go that has worked very well for them. Seems like a lateral move at best.

What comes to their re-signings, I think Forsling is as important or more than Reinhart, who's having a monster year but has historically been a less than PPG forward. But hey, if Calgary could get that package then great, it just doesn't seem like a move from Florida's POV that makes sense right now. Maybe in the summer as a UFA in case they let someone like Montour go.

Hey, fair enough. I actually agree with Bingo’s 1st + player + prospect. So, I might’ve been a bit high. Maybe Hanifin for conditional 2026 1st + Lundell + prospect or 2024 3rd if FLA prefers? Maybe Mahura is too much to ask, I guess. But I don’t see Hanifin for conditional 2026 1st + Lundell + prospect/pick as being a crazy return. I think that’s realistic, personally.

But I could also see how FLA wouldn’t do that, as you say. They may still be very high on Lundell. It’s just that Friedman says FLA has been putting Lundell into things, and I think that’s probably because he’s not been amazing.

[CliffFletcher]

If you look at recent history, almost all of the significant deals get done 1-2 weeks before the trade deadline. That’s the window when the big dominoes falls. By the time of deadline day itself, it’s just scraps being dealt.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You're focusing on quantity rather than quality. The best players were moved early while a whole bunch of trash was moved around on deadline day.

Domi, Bertuzzi, Chychrun, Hronek, Gavrikov, Ekholm, Patrick Kane, Jeannot, Meier (9 big names) were moved within a week of the deadline last year.

Taresenko and Horvat were moved 19 days out (which we are now).

The vast majority of the best players were right around deadline day.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Hey, fair enough. I actually agree with Bingo’s 1st + player + prospect. So, I might’ve been a bit high. Maybe Hanifin for conditional 2026 1st + Lundell + prospect or 2024 3rd if FLA prefers? Maybe Mahura is too much to ask, I guess. But I don’t see Hanifin for conditional 2026 1st + Lundell + prospect/pick as being a crazy return. I think that’s realistic, personally.

But I could also see how FLA wouldn’t do that, as you say. They may still be very high on Lundell. It’s just that Friedman says FLA has been putting Lundell into things, and I think that’s probably because he’s not been amazing.

Lundell is a former 1st rounder himself (12th OA) so essentially that would be asking two first rounders from Florida. And he's still trending to be a good nhl player, unlike most 1st round picks who never make it. Mahura isn't too much to ask at all, he's currently in rotation for them. Solid player but not sure there is anything more than a bottom pairing defenseman there.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Building an elite hockey team is a challenge. But the tanking/rebuilding part for Toronto provided them with their best players. So to point a finger at them and say look tanking/rebuilding doesn't work is false. The tanking/rebuilding part worked. Their failure was their inability to use other methods to build the team. In fact, you could argue that the only thing they did correctly was the tanking/rebuild part, which they actually hit out of the park.

It also isn’t over yet. How long did Washington take to break through? The story isn’t written yet - their rebuild was pretty successful up until now. They are competitive year in and year out. They have the talent where the could conceivably be a contender.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Domi, Bertuzzi, Chychrun, Hronek, Gavrikov, Ekholm, Patrick Kane, Jeannot, Meier (9 big names) were moved within a week of the deadline last year.

Taresenko and Horvat were moved 19 days out (which we are now).

The vast majority of the best players were right around deadline day.

All moved early. Not on deadline day, gone well before deadline day.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I've never wavered from the original value thought so my expectations are still where they were a few months ago.

Lindholm's deal exceeded expectations which is great, but I avoid the roller coaster.

Lindholm and Hanifin for 1st, player, prospect
Hanifin for a 2nd

See what happens.

Biggest thing is avoiding extensions on 29 year old players, and facing the fact that they needed to make changes.

The Lindholm trade likely makes the total for all three work out at or above expectations.

Markstrom the interesting variable.

You mean Tanev for a 2nd, right?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

All moved early. Not on deadline day, gone well before deadline day.

Well I guess that depends on the definition of early on. We are 18 days from deadline day so Conroy has ample time to move his assets before that day. Almost nobody gets traded this far out from deadline day.

[Mr.Coffee]

If Markstrom is getting frustrated and other teams are “waiting on Calgary” then Conroy is maybe starting to play with fire a bit pun intended.

You CAN be too greedy sometimes. That said, I still do believe Tanev should be able to fetch a 1st I’d think.