2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Matty81]

Mercer would be great with his ability to play some centre and 2 way game but even Holtz would be a good add and found money given the shift in Markstrom's value. He's got a great right handed shot and good offensive instincts and has been bouncing between their 3rd and 4th lines and on 2nd powerplay unit at best. He seems like a ready made replacement for Kuz at RW as a trigger man for Hubderdeau long run.

Mercer's more valuable contract wise as well even though he's expiring, Holtz has a another full year to run on his deal and probably won't lock in on the back of this season, so the flames are going to be in a position where if he sees a ton of ice and kills next year it will cost a lot of money, not much of an opportunity for a value contract. Mercer's up this season and feels like he could be locked up for a while on a deal that could end up being pretty team friendly.

[StrykerSteve]

Should also add, I frickin love this time of year. Trade rumours are so deliciously exciting. Love what Conroy has done to this point, keep it going big guy.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Flames are this deep in talks with the Devils and knowing how much they have liked Mercer I would be shocked if he is not part of the trade. Dawson Mercer is a good young player but people talk about him on here like his value is Bedard or something. He should become a top 6 C but nothing is guaranteed there. His floor is probably a 3rd line C.

Mercer offensively will never be a first line center.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Mercer offensively will never be a first line center.

I doubt you will ever get a top line centre in a mid-season trade like this.

[Goriders]

Be nice when the trade deadline has finally passed and we know what’s left.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I bet people who posted lesser returns in proposals than what they actually got for Lindholm were told that as well.


#Conman
#Conman2024

But Mercer+++ come on people.

I going holts + 1st + chase stillman + conditional 3rd

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Naitix

I agree with dissentower, the return will be quite good. Don’t forget that Flames have no reason to deal Markstrom other than for a huge overpay.

The fact that Fitz is following up with them when their position on markstrom is, basically, "convince us to approach him to waive" tells me the return being discussed has to be pretty significant.

The Flames didn't seek this out. They're being approached.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If anyone traded a 22 year old first line C for a 34 year old goalie retained or not, that would be an automatic firing.

Mercer is probably a middle 6 player, but even getting that for Markstrom is great. The plus plus seems to be for salary retention.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Mercer offensively will never be a first line center.

I think the goal is 2nd line center.

[Jiggy_12]

I hope people realize that whatever the return ends up being, its found money.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think you will change your mind when the deal gets done. If the deal gets done. I think it will but I don't want to speak in absolutes or certain posters will start shredding me on here.

In that case, I certainly hope the deal gets done.

I'd have to book my tickets to the draft again.

[Flames1217]

Mercer has higher potential and value than Holtz.

Mercer is already a top 6 player and would fit in like a glove here.

Let's hope he's included.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt you will ever get a top line centre in a mid-season trade like this.

Don’t disagree my point was only that Mercer is not some super stud. Best case scenario he may turn into a 70 point second line center and worse case scenario is he is a 40 point third line center. The idea that him or Markstrom straight up is highway robbery is mistaken in my opinion, especially if the Flames retain significant salary. The Flames are trading a former vezina nominee who may be nominated again this year who has term. That is a player who never gets traded so comparing him to other trades is not overly relevant IMO.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If anyone traded a 22 year old first line C for a 34 year old goalie retained or not, that would be an automatic firing.

Mercer is probably a middle 6 player, but even getting that for Markstrom is great. The plus plus seems to be for salary retention.

What if the deal includes retention and ‘bad’ money coming back? What if the Devils go one to win series/compete or win a cup?

Not convinced ‘automatic firing’ is the accurate term. ‘Risky’ sure.

[Tbull8]

I’d love to see both coming back. Mercer might top out as a 2C but that’s a huge piece. Maybe Holtz becomes nothing, or maybe he flourishes with a change of scenery. Getting 2 high end pieces could be franchise altering

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Don’t disagree my point was only that Mercer is not some super stud. Best case scenario he may turn into a 70 point second line center and worse case scenario is he is a 40 point third line center. The idea that him or Markstrom straight up is highway robbery is mistaken in my opinion, especially if the Flames retain significant salary. The Flames are trading a former vezina nominee who may be nominated again this year who has term. That is a player who never gets traded so comparing him to other trades is not overly relevant IMO.

A 70 point center is definitely a 1st line player imo

In any case Mercer is speedy and has silky mitts. I hope we get him because he can be fun to watch.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Devils fans on Reddit think Holtz + 1st is a massive overpay.

They're getting a top 3 NHL goalie this year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I’d love to see both coming back. Mercer might top out as a 2C but that’s a huge piece. Maybe Holtz becomes nothing, or maybe he flourishes with a change of scenery. Getting 2 high end pieces could be franchise altering

I'm fine with giving Holtz the Sharangovich treatment and potentially winding up with a 20-25 goal guy

But I'd prefer him as a secondary piece to the centerpiece of the deal.

[FlamesAddiction]

With Tanev almost 100% being traded, I would love to get Siegenthaler back as part of trade with NJ. He is signed long term at a reasonable amount and could fill that hole a little bit.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see where Holtz fits on this roster going forward. He isn't a checking winger, he needs to be in your top 6 to meet his potential. Assuming the Flames will keep Kuzmenko because he seems to unlock Huberdeau and with Coronato needing top 6 wing time next year where are you putting Holtz? It makes no sense to me unless you are definitely flipping Kuzy.

If Mercer is not in play and Holtz is the player we get then I'd take him. Can't be sure that Kuzmenko will want to re-sign here at the end of next year, or that Coronato will be a top 6 winger either. Holtz would be good insurance policy in case either of those two scenarios happen and if not and we have 3 RW fighting for 1st and 2nd line duty then we have a bargaining chip to fix a hole somewhere else on the roster.