02-13-2024, 10:14 PM
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#681
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by InternationalVillager
Yes-- people lose the deals because the Sharks have the leverage.
In this scenario, the Flames have the leverage because they are the sellers of the asset and time is not a constraint for them. It might ultimately be NJD who ends up losing the opportunity to acquire the asset.
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This is why we must avoid doing deals with San Jose.
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02-13-2024, 10:17 PM
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#682
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
If A is negotiating with B, and B threatens to cut off the negotiation if A talks to any other letters, then A is not the one negotiating in poor faith.
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Depends if B was ground down and thought they had a deal in place after tough negotiations and then A went lol jk I am going to shop it around again.
The Canucks trade narrative makes way more sense. Vancouver got serious and then Conroy made another round of calls to all interested parties and then moved on to closing the deal with Van once the other teams didn’t push.
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02-13-2024, 10:20 PM
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#683
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Could be true. But if Conroy now has to circle back Jersey knows the other offers might not be great. Realistically I have a hard time seeing what teams can beat a jersey offer in the first place. They by far have the best assets of the teams who could possibly be interested.
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Well...not necessarily. I mean it depends on how desperate teams get.
Two other team allegedly in the mix are LA and Carolina. They both have their 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Carolina has two 2nds in 2024.
LA can offer Brandt Clarke if they get very desperate. Otherwise, maybe Turcotte. Carolina can offer Necas. They also have a boatload of "B" prospects - Gunler, Unger Sorum, Scott Morrow...
If the NJ offer is roster player, prospects, 1st and 2nd, either LA or Carolina can match or beat it if they want to. Just a matter of whether they're desperate enough. LA just got spanked today and are falling out of the playoffs fast...
Good on Conroy to play the field a bit if that's what he's doing.
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02-13-2024, 10:21 PM
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#684
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
If A is negotiating with B, and B threatens to cut off the negotiation if A talks to any other letters, then A is not the one negotiating in poor faith.
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How do you know this is the scenario though. Clearly GMs know other GMs talk to multiple teams. If Jersey was upset and walked away obviously something else happened.
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02-13-2024, 10:21 PM
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#685
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Depends if B was ground down and thought they had a deal in place after tough negotiations and then A went lol jk I am going to shop it around again.
The Canucks trade narrative makes way more sense. Vancouver got serious and then Conroy made another round of calls to all interested parties and then moved on to closing the deal with Van once the other teams didn’t push.
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Exactly. It sounds to me like Fitzgerald threw a hissy fit because Conroy did business with him exactly the same way he did it with Allvin.
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Originally Posted by Hackey
How do you know this is the scenario though. Clearly GMs know other GMs talk to multiple teams. If Jersey was upset and walked away obviously something else happened.
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I thought this whole part of the discussion was sparked by Sec214 explicitly saying this was the scenario. So no, it is not obvious that something else happened.
Seems to me you are just trying very hard to cling to the conclusion you wanted to reach from the beginning.
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Last edited by Jay Random; 02-13-2024 at 10:24 PM.
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02-13-2024, 10:22 PM
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#686
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by RedHawk12
Well...not necessarily. I mean it depends on how desperate teams get.
Two other team allegedly in the mix are LA and Carolina. They both have their 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Carolina has two 2nds in 2024.
LA can offer Brandt Clarke if they get very desperate. Otherwise, maybe Turcotte. Carolina can offer Necas. They also have a boatload of "B" prospects - Gunler, Unger Sorum, Scott Morrow...
If the NJ offer is roster player, prospects, 1st and 2nd, either LA or Carolina can match or beat it if they want to. Just a matter of whether they're desperate enough. LA just got spanked today and are falling out of the playoffs fast...
Good on Conroy to play the field a bit if that's what he's doing.
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This all screams Conroy gunning for Mercer, Casey, 2024 1st and 2024 (or 2025) 2nd
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02-13-2024, 10:24 PM
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#687
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by RedHawk12
Well...not necessarily. I mean it depends on how desperate teams get.
Two other team allegedly in the mix are LA and Carolina. They both have their 1sts in 2024 and 2025. Carolina has two 2nds in 2024.
LA can offer Brandt Clarke if they get very desperate. Otherwise, maybe Turcotte. Carolina can offer Necas. They also have a boatload of "B" prospects - Gunler, Unger Sorum, Scott Morrow...
If the NJ offer is roster player, prospects, 1st and 2nd, either LA or Carolina can match or beat it if they want to. Just a matter of whether they're desperate enough. LA just got spanked today and are falling out of the playoffs fast...
Good on Conroy to play the field a bit if that's what he's doing.
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No chance LA offers Clarke. Necas I HIGHLY doubt it. I'd rather the Jersey guys rumored than Turcotte. The 1st from Jersey and LA is a bit of a toss up.
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02-13-2024, 10:29 PM
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#688
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Hackey
No chance LA offers Clarke. Necas I HIGHLY doubt it. I'd rather the Jersey guys rumored than Turcotte. The 1st from Jersey and LA is a bit of a toss up.
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I’m not so sure Carolina wouldn’t be open to moving Necas. They have a lot of holes to fill in that roster this coming offseason.
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02-13-2024, 10:31 PM
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#689
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Have you ever watched an episode of Shark Tank? People lose deals all the time because last minute they try and get a better deal and the side they were negotiating with gets pissed and walks away.
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You're basing a players already signed contract and future trade on an episode of shark tank?
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02-13-2024, 10:32 PM
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#690
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
No chance LA offers Clarke. Necas I HIGHLY doubt it. I'd rather the Jersey guys rumored than Turcotte. The 1st from Jersey and LA is a bit of a toss up.
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It just depends in how desperate those teams get. If you're LA or Carolina, you're probably looking to go for it.
Just a note on Carolina - Necas is falling a little bit out of favor there. He's played on the 4th line a few times and Jarvis has taken over for him on PP1.
If they offer Necas, Morrow, 2024 1st and 2025 2nd for Markstrom retained, that may be enough for NJ to consider putting Mercer in the deal.
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02-13-2024, 10:41 PM
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#691
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by RedHawk12
It just depends in how desperate those teams get. If you're LA or Carolina, you're probably looking to go for it.
Just a note on Carolina - Necas is falling a little bit out of favor there. He's played on the 4th line a few times and Jarvis has taken over for him on PP1.
If they offer Necas, Morrow, 2024 1st and 2025 2nd for Markstrom retained, that may be enough for NJ to consider putting Mercer in the deal.
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If Carolina offers that then NJ can go pound sand, I take that deal.
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02-13-2024, 11:10 PM
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#693
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Franchise Player
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I wouldn't think this would need to be said but reality TV is not...real.
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02-13-2024, 11:16 PM
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#694
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Scoring Winger
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You’re not getting that for Markstrom. Connie would be driving Markstrom to the airport. I’m a big Marky fan. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he stayed. We don’t need to trade but if you get the right deal. I one is untouchable
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
This all screams Conroy gunning for Mercer, Casey, 2024 1st and 2024 (or 2025) 2nd
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02-13-2024, 11:16 PM
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#695
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Scoring Winger
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Plus, we’re in Canada. Shouldn’t they be watching Dragon’s Den instead of Shark Tank?
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02-13-2024, 11:16 PM
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#696
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Yeah, those shark tank moments of "okay you know what? No!! You waited too long, I'm out!!" (*15 seconds of actual time passes) aren't reality. Or "you're asking me a question after I made an offer!!!!!????".
Those are just made for TV moments built into a reality TV show.
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02-13-2024, 11:21 PM
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#697
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Franchise Player
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Not sure I like the idea of trading Markstrom. Playing amazing hockey right now. Could take the team on his back to the playoffs.
Likely in the minority here.
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02-13-2024, 11:26 PM
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#698
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Not sure I like the idea of trading Markstrom. Playing amazing hockey right now. Could take the team on his back to the playoffs.
Likely in the minority here.
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It really depends on the return for me. If it's a lowball offer I would rather keep him. If someone will meet the price though I think you move on.
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02-13-2024, 11:27 PM
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#699
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Calgree
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
Not sure I like the idea of trading Markstrom. Playing amazing hockey right now. Could take the team on his back to the playoffs.
Likely in the minority here.
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His value is at an all time high. He’s legit one of the best goalies in the NHL right now and there’s 3-4 contenders that need a goalie. For the record, I’m not on team tank, but now is the time to trade him. What happens next year when he’s 35 and he plays like he did last year? People will be yelling and screaming that we should have traded him when he had value.
Never mind the Wolf aspect. He needs to play. And I highly doubt anyone is taking Vladar at his cap hit
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02-13-2024, 11:28 PM
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#700
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Lifetime Suspension
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You have to move him if the offers are that strong.
This team is using a winger as our #1C right now.
We need to build it right. Markstrom isn’t part of this teams future.
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