[Rumour] Friedman: Devils and Flames have had legit discussions about Markstrom

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Seravalli says that Markstrom was asked and did waive NMC for New Jersey before deal fell apart. If true that means the deal was very far along.

https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/...gerald-flames/

Wow. It doesn't make sense to me that the Flames ask Markstrom to waive if the return for Markstrom is the issue. Friedman's words that salary retention was the real issue could make sense as an explanation to why the trade fell apart. I really hope the teams can try again. Edit: I didn't see the note about Holtz until now...Now, I REALLY hope the teams can try again.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Seravalli says that Markstrom was asked and did waive NMC for New Jersey before deal fell apart. If true that means the deal was very far along.

https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/...gerald-flames/

If they got far enough down the pike to ask Markstrom to waive than it sucks it fell apart because of retention. Probably was a better return than I was expecting but if it leaks that Mercer was the centerpiece and they didn't hit it because of retention then I will be pretty mad. Holtz is a pretty good consolation prize as well.

[Robbob]

Like it was said, it depends on the whole package coming back. If they are taking on salary from Vanecek, then there is a cost to that. I think they are at the point where they are just negotiating. Just a a couple GMs trying to get the best deal. If it was March 7th and things fell apart, then I would be more concerned. Lots of time to make that deal, especially if NJ goes on a bit of a heater and gets back into the thick of things in the playoff race.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Wow, I didn't think it got to a waiver of the NTC. That is close.

[keenan87]

I hope this deal gets done in time before the trade deadline.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If they got far enough down the pike to ask Markstrom to waive than it sucks it fell apart because of retention. Probably was a better return than I was expecting but if it leaks that Mercer was the centerpiece and they didn't hit it because of retention then I will be pretty mad. Holtz is a pretty good consolation prize as well.

Retention across multiple years should come with a significant added return
If Conroy wasn’t getting that and he walked, nothing wrong with that

[Nelson]

Its easy for me to say when its not my (millons of) dollars, but please, just retain if that's what get's this done.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Like it was said, it depends on the whole package coming back. If they are taking on salary from Vanecek, then there is a cost to that. I think they are at the point where they are just negotiating. Just a a couple GMs trying to get the best deal. If it was March 7th and things fell apart, then I would be more concerned. Lots of time to make that deal, especially if NJ goes on a bit of a heater and gets back into the thick of things in the playoff race.

“Can this be revisited,” Seravalli contemplated. “My answer is probably not based on the way it played out. And two, now what? Is there another team that would be willing to step up and pay what would be a pretty significant price in order for Calgary to reshape their goaltending scenario?”


Sounds like they had a deal in place and then Conroy couldn't get the approval. Can't see why they wouldn't revisit it unless things really blew up at the end.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Bonded

“Can this be revisited,” Seravalli contemplated. “My answer is probably not based on the way it played out. And two, now what? Is there another team that would be willing to step up and pay what would be a pretty significant price in order for Calgary to reshape their goaltending scenario?”


Sounds like they had a deal in place and then Conroy couldn't get the approval. Can't see why they wouldn't revisit it unless things really blew up at the end.

Why does it sound like that? That's an assumption, based on a bias, that Edwards won't allow retention. Just as likely that Conroy wasn't comfortable with the amount of retention on a player of multiple years, for hockey reasons.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Retention across multiple years should come with a significant added return
If Conroy wasn’t getting that and he walked, nothing wrong with that

Yeah, I just think Holtz would be the best return for a goalie in a long time with or without retention. I just don’t think Conroy asks Markstrom to waive unless he thought there was basically a done deal in place.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Bonded

“Can this be revisited,” Seravalli contemplated. “My answer is probably not based on the way it played out. And two, now what? Is there another team that would be willing to step up and pay what would be a pretty significant price in order for Calgary to reshape their goaltending scenario?”


Sounds like they had a deal in place and then Conroy couldn't get the approval. Can't see why they wouldn't revisit it unless things really blew up at the end.

I don't know if I would trust Frank's read on that particular point. A few weeks ago he didn't think the Devils would put up a big package for Markstrom. Looks like they did.

[Heavy Jack]

So does Markstrom still have negative value in your eyes butterfly?? Marky reportedly almost landing Holtz, 1st, couple prospects is unreal value even if you had to retain 25 percent on the remainder of his contract. Add in Tanev at 50 percent?? Even more to ask… or instead of Tanev, add in Hanifin 50 percent and extended?? My god.

Let the man cook; I think Conroy is going to have some fireworks for us to cheer about over the stretch towards the deadline, especially with these types of rumours going on.

[Hoop27]

Why does Seravalli say 'I think' three times in this? At no point did he state a fact only a guess that anyone could make. (Sorry this bothers me from a responsible media perspective.)

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Seravalli says that Markstrom was asked and did waive NMC for New Jersey before deal fell apart. If true that means the deal was very far along.

https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/...gerald-flames/

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Retention across multiple years should come with a significant added return
If Conroy wasn’t getting that and he walked, nothing wrong with that

If it got to the point that they approached Markstrom to waive, I think we got what they wanted.

If retention was actually the issue, probably should have had that piece worked out first before approaching him to waive his NTC.

All speculation at this point.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Why does it sound like that? That's an assumption, based on a bias, that Edwards won't allow retention. Just as likely that Conroy wasn't comfortable with the amount of retention on a player of multiple years, for hockey reasons.

I just don’t think that they’d ask Markstrom to waive if the details weren’t nailed down. Retention is a pretty big piece to ignore and figure out after the fact.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

“Can this be revisited,” Seravalli contemplated. “My answer is probably not based on the way it played out. And two, now what? Is there another team that would be willing to step up and pay what would be a pretty significant price in order for Calgary to reshape their goaltending scenario?”


Sounds like they had a deal in place and then Conroy couldn't get the approval. Can't see why they wouldn't revisit it unless things really blew up at the end.

I don't think it has anything to do with approval or retention, everything I have heard since Conroy was hired is he has power to do any of that stuff, he doesn't have to get Edwards permission. If I were to guess it fell apart with the Devils wanting to make Holtz part of the deal instead of Mercer and if that's the case Conroy did the right thing by walking away. I like Holtz, he is going to be a top 6 RW that scores goals but if you think Kuzmenko is a guy you are keeping and with Coronato close, Holtz makes no sense for us. So if the Flames covet Mercer in a deal for Markstrom and the Devils won't put him in a deal the deal is dead.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think it has anything to do with approval or retention, everything I have heard since Conroy was hired is he has power to do any of that stuff, he doesn't have to get Edwards permission. If I were to guess it fell apart with the Devils wanting to make Holtz part of the deal instead of Mercer and if that's the case Conroy did the right thing by walking away. I like Holtz, he is going to be a top 6 RW that scores goals but if you think Kuzmenko is a guy you are keeping and with Coronato close, Holtz makes no sense for us. So if the Flames covet Mercer in a deal for Markstrom and the Devils won't put him in a deal the deal is dead.

I 100% agree with this, I think it's all just playing chicken. Will see how this pans out.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think it has anything to do with approval or retention, everything I have heard since Conroy was hired is he has power to do any of that stuff, he doesn't have to get Edwards permission. If I were to guess it fell apart with the Devils wanting to make Holtz part of the deal instead of Mercer and if that's the case Conroy did the right thing by walking away. I like Holtz, he is going to be a top 6 RW that scores goals but if you think Kuzmenko is a guy you are keeping and with Coronato close, Holtz makes no sense for us. So if the Flames covet Mercer in a deal for Markstrom and the Devils won't put him in a deal the deal is dead.

That just doesn’t make sense to me if Conroy asked Markstorm to waive. Conroy clearly thought the package was good enough.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If it got to the point that they approached Markstrom to waive, I think we got what they wanted.

If retention was actually the issue, probably should have had that piece worked out first before approaching him to waive his NTC.

All speculation at this point.

This is such a good point, can’t imagine the flames would want to upset Markstrom which this situation could potentially do; you’d think management would have cleared that aspect with ownership before approaching the player to waive. Approaching a player to waive basically means there was a deal in place in which the players/prospects involved were acceptable for both teams so it just seems odd to me that retention was the wrinkle.

[Nelson]

I don't think it makes sense to rule out the teams returning to the table. That is definitely possible, especially with a people person like Conroy.