[Rumour] Friedman: Devils and Flames have had legit discussions about Markstrom

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Like, were any of them credible insiders? You'd think you could remember at least one instance if it was someone credible?

Frankly, it may not have been.

However, there has been noise about Conroy not getting good offers, and there have been insiders floating the idea that it's because teams are only willing to pay a rental price and don't expect to re-sign him. (Unfortunately, ‘stuff I heard on the radio in the past few days’ doesn't exactly have a handy URL to link to.)

There's also the story from Francis dragging Hanifin's family into the matter. I think this may have been one of the prime sources for the Hanifin-only-to-Boston rumour. If so, we can disregard it, because, I mean, Francis!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Frankly, it may not have been.

However, there has been noise about Conroy not getting good offers, and there have been insiders floating the idea that it's because teams are only willing to pay a rental price and don't expect to re-sign him. (Unfortunately, ‘stuff I heard on the radio in the past few days’ doesn't exactly have a handy URL to link to.)

There's also the story from Francis dragging Hanifin's family into the matter. I think this may have been one of the prime sources for the Hanifin-only-to-Boston rumour. If so, we can disregard it, because, I mean, Francis!

Sure, cool. I hadn't heard what you're claiming (widespread rumours of Hanifin only signing in Boston) and with your follow ups, I'll definitely disregard it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

There are 18 goalies making 6+ million this year, and 0 goals above expected is league average goaltending. So yeah $6 million is the market rate for a starting goaltender in the NHL.


And if you're committed to the premise that trade values are based on the last 3 2/3 seasons rather than the last 1 or 2, I'm curious what you think point-per-game all-star winger Jonathan Huberdeau is worth in a trade.

So what you are saying is that Markstrom makes around the average salary for starting goalies but has results (both this year and over the life of the contract) that show he is better than the average goalie. I think that clearly adds up to negative value.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Sorry, friend. Missed this comment. Do you think Markstrom at 2.5x$8.5M would be claimed on waivers or could be traded straight up for future considerations? I don't. That would be zero value.

If we have to retain or take their garbage contracts back or send picks out then it's negative value.

That is not how modern waivers works. If a team like the Devils had 8.5 million in cap space, yes they would take him. Most teams do not have the cap space so they work out a deal. But I suspect even at 8.5 million he would be snapped up on waivers, a team would definitely take him at that contract because there would be a team that had the space.

Thankfully Conroy is the GM so he will not do this but I guarantee if Markstrom was put on waivers tomorrow he would have about 15 waiver claims put in on him, so he clearly has much more than zero value right now, which was your original point.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

That name was floated on a jersey site. I agree that he has more value than any pieces being discussed, but he is in a position of strength for their team.

Markstrom 2M retained and tanev straight up for nemec is a very strong move.

Best not to get your hopes up. Nemec isn’t getting traded.

[Hackey]

Goalies typically don't get huge hauls in a trade, so I'd be happy with a good piece or two. The fact that you gain a couple of assets while likely also increasing the value of your own picks is a win-win. You also get to give Wolf more starts.

[Bingo]

I'm just amazed how some people will hold on to an old opinion to avoid changing their mind despite a boatload of new information that says otherwise.

Head shaking ...

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just amazed how some people will hold on to an old opinion to avoid changing their mind despite a boatload of new information that says otherwise.

Head shaking ...

That new information is Friedman’s?

He has one side of the story, NJD’s probably. We don’t really know the package, and he says money was the hold up.

So I think it’s fair to be sceptical about the return. But I love what I’m hearing (Holtz or Mercer or Nemec).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sure, cool. I hadn't heard what you're claiming (widespread rumours of Hanifin only signing in Boston) and with your follow ups, I'll definitely disregard it.

I think if anyone was willing to pay a similar return to Lindholm that Hanifin would already be gone. Have to think he isn't re-signing now and probably knows the general interest level and contract value from Boston/Florida especially if Conroy is trying to work a sign and trade. Flames best hope for a good return is having two serious options.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think if anyone was willing to pay a similar return to Lindholm that Hanifin would already be gone. Have to think he isn't re-signing now and probably knows the general interest level and contract value from Boston/Florida especially if Conroy is trying to work a sign and trade. Flames best hope for a good return is having two serious options.

I doubt it’s a secret around the league that Hanifin hopes to sign with one of those teams, so he’s going to be a pure rental.

His value is further hurt by the fact most contenders are pretty set at top-four LHD and are weaker at RHD. Which is why I don’t think he’ll return much more than Tanev.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

So I think it’s fair to be sceptical about the return. But I love what I’m hearing (Holtz or Mercer or Nemec).

I doubt Nemec is available... if he is Conroy should be working that phone until his ears are bleeding to make it happen.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

That new information is Friedman’s?

He has one side of the story, NJD’s probably. We don’t really know the package, and he says money was the hold up.

So I think it’s fair to be sceptical about the return. But I love what I’m hearing (Holtz or Mercer or Nemec).

Meant the crew that still sees Markstrom at having negative value despite a) what we are hearing b) his play on the ice

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This might just be the stupidest thing I have read on here in a while. You are 100% clueless.

If you head on over to the Cavalry thread in Other Sports, he has plenty of comparable hot takes! Makes for great reading.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I doubt Nemec is available... if he is Conroy should be working that phone until his ears are bleeding to make it happen.

I think Conroy really listens to his scouts. We may not get Nemec, but I am really optimistic that we will find some great young guys we’ve not heard of in these upcoming deals, who will impress when they get a chance to play.

It’s going to be an exciting stretch. Between their play and all the rumours circling the team, Flames have all the buzz right now.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Meant the crew that still sees Markstrom at having negative value despite a) what we are hearing b) his play on the ice

His play on the ice, definitely

What we are hearing? I don’t know. We do not know the details , just some interest. Who to say they ask the Flames for a big retention and give up not much.

Btw, I am neutral on Markstrom at this point, from negative

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

His play on the ice, definitely

What we are hearing? I don’t know. We do not know the details , just some interest. Who to say they ask the Flames for a big retention and give up not much.

Btw, I am neutral on Markstrom at this point, from negative

Well tidbits and common sense.

- 5 teams asking about health records
- Devils and Flames close on a package, but retention held them back

Do we think Conroy is pushing hard to make a trade for Markstrom where he doesn't retain but has to add a sweetner to get it done because he has negative value?

Or is a team that is moving assets getting approached by other teams that want the player and are willing to pay assets to get him?

[Funkhouser]

Dreaming, but I like the concept of:

Markstrom ($1.5M retained)
Tanev (50% retained)

for

Nemec

This would get us a (future) elite D man in our top 4 to replace the loss of Tanev and anchor our D-core going forward. NJ is dealing from a position of strength as they have Hughes, Hamilton (R), Marino (R) & Siegenthaler locked up long term with Seamus Casey (another R) knocking on the door.

Markstrom could be the missing piece for them so I don't think the ask is unreasonable. IMO Markstrom & Tanev are worth a 1st each, retention is worth a 2nd. So basically Nemec for two 1st's & a 2nd - fair value IMO.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well tidbits and common sense.

- 5 teams asking about health records
- Devils and Flames close on a package, but retention held them back

Do we think Conroy is pushing hard to make a trade for Markstrom where he doesn't retain but has to add a sweetner to get it done because he has negative value?

Or is a team that is moving assets getting approached by other teams that want the player and are willing to pay assets to get him?

Yeah, I don’t think he has negative value any more, he has been pretty much one of the top goalies this year

I am sure teams are interested, just not sure if they would pay too much. Maybe that’s why he is not traded yet.

Goalies don’t get trade too often anyway

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Markstrom could be the missing piece for them so I don't think the ask is unreasonable. IMO Markstrom & Tanev are worth a 1st each, retention is worth a 2nd. So basically Nemec for two 1st's & a 2nd - fair value IMO.

I wouldn't trade Nemec for two late 1sts and neither will New Jersey

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah, I don’t think he has negative value any more, he has been pretty much one of the top goalies this year

I am sure teams are interested, just not sure if they would pay too much. Maybe that’s why he is not traded yet.

Goalies don’t get trade too often anyway

Yeah. I think if Mercer was ever on the table then I hope the deal would have been done even with retention.