[News] Morgan Rielly pulls a Dale Hunter (Suspended 5 games)

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Its alarming how many people casually and confidently condone assaulting someone.

Hockey is still part of the real world folks. Laws apply

This is actually way off.

And it’s laughable to call anything outside of a McSorely incident that occurs during an NHL game “assault”.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by neo45

This is actually way off.

And it’s laughable to call anything outside of a McSorely incident that occurs during an NHL game “assault”.

Call it whatever you want.

Encouraging the act of cross-checking someone unsuspecting in the face, after the play, at the end of the game is an opinion so far out of touch with what I could ever agree with.

[White Out 403]

some of the worst parts about hockey is "the code"

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Its alarming how many people casually and confidently condone assaulting someone.

Hockey is still part of the real world folks. Laws apply

I think you can look at a player losing his cool and see it for what it is. No one was hurt. He was also disciplined. Is there anyone in here saying that Rielly shouldn't receive some kind of suspension?

I just don't see how that amounts to a 10+ game suspension or that this incident demands as much attention as its getting. It's no different than a lot of the plays that happen in scrums relatively frequently.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Call it whatever you want.

Encouraging the act of cross-checking someone unsuspecting in the face, after the play, at the end of the game is an opinion so far out of touch with what I could ever agree with.

Who's "encouraging" people to act like Rielly did?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by blankall

Who's "encouraging" people to act like Rielly did?

The poster I was quoting. a couple posts prior he/she said;

"A rookie showboating when his team is in the bottom 5? Because he scored on AN EMPTY NET? Ya cross check that guy in the face"

pretty cut and dry

[neo45]

Is that encouraging what Rielly did or discouraging what Greig did?


Because again, “scrum him really good” isn’t remotely a deterrent

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://twitter.com/user/status/1757090424529842648

Yes...Lets turn this into the NBA.

And then the players should be allowed to fight the Coach at Centre Ice.

"Why would you pull the goalie ya daft bastard??"

[dammage79]

I've been in around hockey my whole life. Didn't know scoring an EN goal that way was a cardinal sin. Who the heck cares.

Leafs just making stuff up to feel slighted in some way. In fact I hate the entire response from Leafs nation and the media and the organization.

Absolutely nobody was going to get hurt as there was nobody in front of the shot. It's a total nothing burger.

Leafs are losers and the entire response from it all has really tilted my disdain for all things Toronto into a more maturated form of hatred.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by neo45

Is that encouraging what Rielly did or discouraging what Greig did?


Because again, “scrum him really good” isn’t remotely a deterrent

A deterrent for what? Typically when people say this, it’s about plays that injure their teammates. Feelings are in there too now?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by neo45

Is that encouraging what Rielly did or discouraging what Greig did?


Because again, “scrum him really good” isn’t remotely a deterrent

Depends on who you talk to. If someone tried to scrum me on the ice, I'd be like.... "nooooooo... please don't bury me in pointless tickets about button colours and placements... just figure out what you want it to look like and stick with it... I promise I won't do it again... noooooooo"

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by neo45

Is that encouraging what Rielly did or discouraging what Greig did?


Because again, “scrum him really good” isn’t remotely a deterrent

I don't think it matters how you spin that - you're advocating violence as a means to punish a non-violent act, no?

Just like in baseball - when pitchers throw at hitters for some perceived "slight" that happened earlier in the game or another time. Its dangerous and can end careers. Its a massive over reaction that really only shows that grown men can't park their egos and control their emotions in an appropriate manner.

In this case it was fortunate the player wasn't hurt. But I think people have had enough of these cases only getting attention when a guy is messed up as a result.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by neo45

Is that encouraging what Rielly did or discouraging what Greig did?


Because again, “scrum him really good” isn’t remotely a deterrent

Why is it important that it be deterred?
Frankly the best deterrent will be internally from the Sens. I suspect some of their vets didn't love and would talk to Greig about not doing it.
But ultimately who cares. I'm of the Barry Sanders mode - act like you've been there before. But at the end of the day, it's a silly to think that this type of thing needs to be "deterred".

[FanIn80]

Gotta say, it's a bit worrying how many people seem to think there shouldn't be ramifications for breaking unwritten rules. There are tons of unwritten rules in all areas of life that govern how not to be a dick to people around you (read: how not to entice people to want to punch you in the face).

Taking some of the "who cares" comments in this thread and applying them to other scenrios...

- awww did your feelings get hurt when i cut you off on the freeway?
- poor baby, are you crying cause I cut in line in front of you at the bank?
- aww gee, does someone keep putting their feet up on the back of your seat at the theatre when you're trying to watch a movie?
- hey man, it's not illegal for me to hit on your date in front of you. don't know why you're getting all pissy about it.
- don't mind me, i'm just shovelling all my snow over onto your clean sidewalk/driveway. it's a free world homie, suck it up.
- oh no! am I standing directly in the middle of the stairs and blocking about 20 people from seeing what's happening at this hockey game? whatever. your "code" sucks, deal with it.
- whoops! did I just hot dog a puck into your empty net off a breakaway with 5 seconds left in the game? is that why you're crying?


At the end of the day, you guys are right. Nothing legally prevents you from doing any of that stuff. You know what does prevent it though? The knowledge we've all gained over time that if you do it enough times you're eventually gonna get your ass beat.

Unwritten rules exist, and the insinuation that they don't (or even that they shouldn't) is incredibly asinine.


(Edit: I'm saying Rielly was within his rights to do somehing. I'm not saying that something should have been a crosscheck to the head. Maybe just a bump into the boards and a couple of words... no different than when someone flips the puck into your net after a whistle.)

[Enoch Root]

Ridiculous that people would be upset that he took a slap shot - who effing cares?

But let's say it bothers you for some reason... okay, take their number and remember it for next time. But next time doesn't mean cross-checking him in the head.

Anyone condoning what Rielly did is a neanderthal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Gotta say, it's a bit worrying how many people seem to think there shouldn't be ramifications for breaking unwritten rules. There are tons of unwritten rules in all areas of life that govern how not to be a dick to people around you (read: how not to entice people to want to punch you in the face).

Taking some of the "who cares" comments in this thread and applying them to other scenrios...

- awww did your feelings get hurt when i cut you off on the freeway?
- poor baby, are you crying cause I cut in line in front of you at the bank?
- aww gee, does someone keep putting their feet up on the back of your seat at the theatre when you're trying to watch a movie?
- hey man, it's not illegal for me to hit on your date in front of you. don't know why you're getting all pissy about it.
- don't mind me, i'm just shovelling all my snow over onto your clean sidewalk/driveway. it's a free world homie, suck it up.
- oh no! am I standing directly in the middle of the stairs and blocking about 20 people from seeing what's happening at this hockey game? whatever. your "code" sucks, deal with it.
- whoops! did I just hot dog a puck into your empty net off a breakaway with 5 seconds left in the game? is that why you're crying?


At the end of the day, you guys are right. Nothing legally prevents you from doing any of that stuff. You know what does prevent it though? The knowledge we've all gained over time that if you do it enough times you're eventually gonna get your ass beat.

Unwritten rules exist, and the insinuation that they don't (or even that they shouldn't) is incredibly asinine.

Okay, sure. Someone cuts you off on the freeway (not AT ALL similar, because it's actually dangerous, but ignoring that...) what is an allowable response? Is it okay to follow them and smash their car? Can you run him off the road? What is the acceptable response to this heinous crime?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Anyone condoning what Rielly did is a neanderthal.

For the record, I agree with this. My stance is I'm glad he did something, just not what he actually did.

Do you say something when someone cuts in front of you at the bank? Yes if you want to or no if you don't. Do you instead go to your car and come back with a baseball bat? No, because that makes you a bloody psycho and you should be in jail.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Gotta say, it's a bit worrying how many people seem to think there shouldn't be ramifications for breaking unwritten rules. There are tons of unwritten rules in all areas of life that govern how not to be a dick to people around you (read: how not to entice people to want to punch you in the face).

Taking some of the "who cares" comments in this thread and applying them to other scenrios...

- awww did your feelings get hurt when i cut you off on the freeway?
- poor baby, are you crying cause I cut in line in front of you at the bank?
- aww gee, does someone keep putting their feet up on the back of your seat at the theatre when you're trying to watch a movie?
- hey man, it's not illegal for me to hit on your date in front of you. don't know why you're getting all pissy about it.
- don't mind me, i'm just shovelling all my snow over onto your clean sidewalk/driveway. it's a free world homie, suck it up.
- oh no! am I standing directly in the middle of the stairs and blocking about 20 people from seeing what's happening at this hockey game? whatever. your "code" sucks, deal with it.
- whoops! did I just hot dog a puck into your empty net off a breakaway with 5 seconds left in the game? is that why you're crying?


At the end of the day, you guys are right. Nothing legally prevents you from doing any of that stuff. You know what does prevent it though? The knowledge we've all gained over time that if you do it enough times you're eventually gonna get your ass beat.

Unwritten rules exist, and the insinuation that they don't (or even that they shouldn't) is incredibly asinine.

In all those examples, would you slam a weapon in to the offender's head? Would you choose violence as the first means to correct their behaviour?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

A-holes exist everywhere. As a society we literally are not allowed to go around socking them in the head.

Unless they are violent first or pose a physical threat to you, you can't do that.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

In all those examples, would you slam a weapon in to the offender's head? Would you choose violence as the first means to correct their behaviour?

No, at no point did I say what Reily did was acceptable. My comments are in response to the "who cares, suck it up, the code is stupid" comments.

The code isn't stupid. Yes, the way Reilly handled it was bad and he should be suspended, but nobody's exempt from the things in life that make us a**holes if/when we do them.

[PepsiFree]

Putting aside the response itself, which most people seem to agree was stupid, it seems like some people are still arguing “something” had to be done because he broke a “code” that definitely “exists.”

Which, sure, I guess.

Then look at the act itself. If we all just agree that it’s “showboating” then that’s fine, but there is a ton of showboating in the NHL that gets absolutely zero response what so ever.

- Guys over-celebrating a goal
- Goalies trying to score a goal
- Guys trying for “unique” goals (michigan, etc)
- Guys playing to fans/opposing bench after fights, goals, etc

These things rarely, if ever, get a response.

So, you’re saying that the bar requiring a response is winding up a shot on an empty net.

It doesn’t make really any sense at all, so my sense is it’s just meatheads justifying other meatheads.