[Rumour] Friedman: Devils and Flames have had legit discussions about Markstrom

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'd do Holtz over Mercer

lol that’s probably the exact convo they had

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The big difference is that retention might not be required at all (or might be a smaller amount).

The trouble with trading Markstrom this season is that most teams would need the Flames to retain salary on this year's cap. But if you trade a player with time remaining on his contract, the retention has to be the same percentage for every year of the deal.

So maybe the Devils can only add Markstrom this year if the Flames retain $2 million, but then the Flames have to retain $2 million next year and the year after. But next year, with the cap going up, they could add Markstrom with the Flames only retaining $1 million. That could make a big difference in the asking price.

I think Devils could make it work this season with no retention. They have $9.5 million in space due to LTIR. They might be more worried about next season where they'd have a few challenges once Hamilton is back and counting again.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Makes sense. I’d take the package without the 2nd for Hanifin pretty happily. Paying $4.5M for a 2nd is a bit steep, but so be it. I think Markstrom has zero value at best though, hence the retention needs.

Markstrom has zero value 😂. Former Vezina nominee, likely a Vezina nominee this year who is one of the top goalies in the league this year by most metrics but he has zero value. That is definitely a take.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yep, Markstrom may have had negative value after the oilers series and his atrocious 22/23 season.

With Wolf seemingly ready to go, and Markstrom having rebuilt his value I would welcome a trade ASAP especially if the return is delicious.

After that Lindholm return, nothing would surprise me to be honest.

Markstrom with $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 retained for Mercer, Vanacek, Casey and a top 10 protected 2024 1st.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I think Markstrom has zero value at best though, hence the retention needs.

What in the actual ****?!?!

[CalgaryFan1988]

It is something to remember though, wasn't long ago that Markstrom had negative value. But to claim he has negative value this season though you'd have to be out of touch. Hopefully they move him this season and get a haul.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Makes sense. I’d take the package without the 2nd for Hanifin pretty happily. Paying $4.5M for a 2nd is a bit steep, but so be it. I think Markstrom has zero value at best though, hence the retention needs.

The lights are on, but no one is home.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Markstrom with $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 retained for Mercer, Vanacek, Casey and a top 10 protected 2024 1st.

People going to mad if markstrom gets traded at this rate

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yep, Markstrom may have had negative value after the oilers series and his atrocious 22/23 season.

With Wolf seemingly ready to go, and Markstrom having rebuilt his value I would welcome a trade ASAP especially if the return is delicious.

After that Lindholm return, nothing would surprise me to be honest.

Markstrom with $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 retained for Mercer, Vanacek, Casey and a top 10 protected 2024 1st.

I may be crazy but even at his peak value I can't see Markstrom bringing that much back.

I would trade him 2 million retained for Mercer alone let alone for additional pieces.

[Enoch Root]

Mercer + Casey ++ is completely unrealistic. I think the some of the posts above, using Mercer as the centerpiece, were reasonable, but this is nuts.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Mercer + Casey ++ is completely unrealistic. I think the some of the posts above, using Mercer as the centerpiece, were reasonable, but this is nuts.

Exactly, Mercer probably has slightly higher value to Zary.

If we were in the same situation(similar depth at forward and lacking goaltending), would everyone be so open to trading Zary for Markstom?

I understand that the Devils perceived window was supposed to start opening up this season, still feels like a really steep price to pay.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Exactly, Mercer probably has slightly higher value to Zary.

If we were in the same situation(similar depth at forward and lacking goaltending), would everyone be so open to trading Zary for Markstom?

I understand that the Devils perceived window was supposed to start opening up this season, still feels like a really steep price to pay.

Yeah. I think if Mercer was on the table then it’d be done.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

People going to mad if markstrom gets traded at this rate

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I may be crazy but even at his peak value I can't see Markstrom bringing that much back.

I would trade him 2 million retained for Mercer alone let alone for additional pieces.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Mercer + Casey ++ is completely unrealistic. I think the some of the posts above, using Mercer as the centerpiece, were reasonable, but this is nuts.

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Exactly, Mercer probably has slightly higher value to Zary.

If we were in the same situation(similar depth at forward and lacking goaltending), would everyone be so open to trading Zary for Markstom?

I understand that the Devils perceived window was supposed to start opening up this season, still feels like a really steep price to pay.

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah. I think if Mercer was on the table then it’d be done.

Yeah, I get it and totally agree, but I was also floored with the Lindholm return. We got an NHL player who just last year put up more points than Lindholm and could easily do it again in the remainder of this season and still has a year left before free agency, plus four other assets (two of which are decently high in a value, the 1st and Bruz)

Lindholm is not even having a good season. Probably is worst as a Flame. Plus Conroy doesn't have to trade Markstrom. Maybe we'll get to find out soon.

[marsplasticeraser]

I get the feeling it’s marky (with retention) and a dman for a haul of a protected 1st, young 1st or 2’d line potential roster player and top prospect. If Hanifin add additional prospects and draft picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Exactly, Mercer probably has slightly higher value to Zary.

If we were in the same situation(similar depth at forward and lacking goaltending), would everyone be so open to trading Zary for Markstom?

I understand that the Devils perceived window was supposed to start opening up this season, still feels like a really steep price to pay.

I would think Mercer has significantly higher value than Zary. They are the same age and Mercer has over 200 games in the league including a 56pt season. Zary is having a great rookie year and shooting at an unsustainable percentage.

Super tough to try and put ourselves in the same shoes as the Devils. They have their top 2 centers locked up and both under 25. They have other good young players on their back end and Holtz but will have to pay some guys soon. If Marky gets them in the playoffs and Dougie comes back they could go on a run and would have Marky for 3 playoff runs which is almost half of the Jack Hughes contract.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What in the actual ****?!?!

I'm assuming it was green text? That, or it's just a really good Spurs impression.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would think Mercer has significantly higher value than Zary. They are the same age and Mercer has over 200 games in the league including a 56pt season. Zary is having a great rookie year and shooting at an unsustainable percentage.

Super tough to try and put ourselves in the same shoes as the Devils. They have their top 2 centers locked up and both under 25. They have other good young players on their back end and Holtz but will have to pay some guys soon. If Marky gets them in the playoffs and Dougie comes back they could go on a run and would have Marky for 3 playoff runs which is almost half of the Jack Hughes contract.

Holtz and Zary closer in value

[FanIn80]

Someone tell Conroy I'm officially pulling Markstrom off the market for him.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What in the actual ****?!?!

Remember, butterfly thinks there are free-agent goalies kicking around in the ECHL who are just as good as NHL starters. If that were true, every goalie would have zero trade value.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Markstrom with $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 retained for Mercer, Vanacek, Casey and a top 10 protected 2024 1st.

Hell no. That's a massive overpay by the Devils.