[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Hackey]

Arguing about $500k or $1m seems so insignificant. The Flames are not a contender and whenever they potentially are that type of money won't even matter. If you actually want to sign Hanifin, 7 or 8 should make almost no difference.

Get the assets, the cap space, the flexibility. Hanifin is a good top 4 dman but he's a support player. His best years will be wasted and the only upside you get with signing him is hoping he's productive in his later years. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You can spend that money over the next 8 years in multiple ways that will be more beneficial and less risky.

[robertsfanatic]

Valid points for both options and Conman has earned enough trust that whatever he does is fine with me.

[CsInMyBlood]

It seems pretty obvious Hanifin is gone. He wouldn't sign a 7.5 earlier in the year and hes only gotten better as the season has progressed so see you later.

I'm firmly in the trade him camp, so I'm excited to see what kind of haul Connie can pull.

[howard_the_duck]

There are 17 defencemen in the NHL who make $8M or more.

That’s too rich for Hanifin. Move on.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

There are 17 defencemen in the NHL who make $8M or more.

That’s too rich for Hanifin. Move on.

How many of those contracts were signed years ago at a lower cap. Run the numbers as a % of total cap at the time they were signed to normalize them

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

There are 17 defencemen in the NHL who make $8M or more.

That’s too rich for Hanifin. Move on.

In a few years there will be 40. So what?

He’s an excellent player. Yes we have other guys that are about as good, but two of them will probably be gone or will be at the end of their careers before the Flames are contenders. Noah would have 3-4 years left still at that time.

Flames are probably never gone to have the elite centre, defender and goalie all at the same time that some of you think is a prerequisite to go for it. Tanking and almost limitless high draft picks is not enough to ensure that - see exhibit a up north.

It’s no big deal if flames sign him to 8*$8 even though that would be a disappointment (no current team discount for the extra year). And it’s also no big deal if they trade him, they have a few years to build the d core up before it really starts to matter.

[Royle9]

Career year means his dollar value is inflated.
He’s a great 2nd pair D-man who can eat minutes.

But you need to have a highly skilled offensive threat on the backend and those guys are the ones you pay 8+M for, giving that to Hanifin would be a mistake. Couple that with how wishy washy he’s been, it’s very clear to me he’d prefer to play in the US (close to home ideally) but if the flames overpay him then he’ll stay for the money.

Time to move on, we can likely get quite the haul including potential young high upside D prospect, which fits where this team appears to be going.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hanifin isn’t past his prime.

You’ve taken 3 signings and turned them into 4. Neal wasn’t a failure because he aged badly - he was just a failure as a player. The other two - we’ll see. But then you ignore counter examples like Gio or Backlund.

Are the final years of a contract going to be worse? Sure. Is Hanifin’s ask too much? Maybe. But people should quit pretending there’s some hard and fast rule when it comes to players, contracts and longevity.

My theory isn’t to name continuous players and argue back and forth about exceptions. It’s to say that after about the age of 28 players tend to drift downwards in their trajectory. There are exceptions as you mentioned but with the game quickly getting younger and faster, that’s also money tied up in a vet that will have to go to a young player. $8.5 for 8 is too much given what our current situation is with two vets signed long term and to high amounts.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What a weird argument, don’t sign players past the age of 34 because they do not age well = do not sign Hanifin to a contract where 95% of the contract will take place when he is 34 or younger. He will not even really hit the age you are concerned about under this next contract.

That was more a statement in general, yes it was silly reading it, so my bad. It’s not applicable in this situation but you are more likely to have peak Hanifin for three or four years before a decline. Just not feeling it for the above reasons.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

In a few years there will be 40. So what?

He’s an excellent player. Yes we have other guys that are about as good, but two of them will probably be gone or will be at the end of their careers before the Flames are contenders. Noah would have 3-4 years left still at that time.

Flames are probably never gone to have the elite centre, defender and goalie all at the same time that some of you think is a prerequisite to go for it. Tanking and almost limitless high draft picks is not enough to ensure that - see exhibit a up north.

It’s no big deal if flames sign him to 8*$8 even though that would be a disappointment (no current team discount for the extra year). And it’s also no big deal if they trade him, they have a few years to build the d core up before it really starts to matter.

So a contending team should sign him to that contract. Your last point is why it makes little sense for the Flames to sign him based on where they’re at.

[Poe969]

Hanifin is good, you could argue that he's a top pairing guy or an elite second pairing guy, but he just isn't a game breaker or difference maker. The team needs the freedom to find the elite core pieces to build around. Having Hanifin would be great if the team had an elite #1 but they don't.

Trade Hanifin or Anderson.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It’s weird how many CPers can read minds. Even weirder that their skills only extend to reading the minds of pending UFAs for the Calgary Flames. What an oddly specific and yet completely useless superpower.

Even weirder that people can’t seem to understand simple and basic principles to what might motivates human beings.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by blankall

He's only 27 and a defender. The last defenders the Flames signed past 34 (btw this barely gets Hanifin past 34) were Tanev and Giordano. Giordano won a Norris at 35.

Hanifin's style of play doesn't expose him to an early decline. Relatively low risk.

Fair and good point, but there are more examples of it not working than working. Hanifin doesn’t strike me as a guy that loves the city and just has to play here or even works crazy hard. He is one of those mercenary type guys to me, if you pay anyone enough sure, they’ll play here.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You seem to want things both ways.

James Neal is exactly the cautionary tale of what happens when you overpay for aging veterans in decline. Before the Flames signed him to that 5 year deal at 32 years old he was already declining. You can say "failure as a player" to delude things, but the reality is he failed in Calgary because he was falling off due to age. Sure he didn't handle it very well, getting old and losing a step is frustrating. But even after trading him to the Oilers, he had a hot streak and then hit a wall again because, you guessed it, his body was no longer up to it.

Same case for Lucic. The mind was there, but the body was not. Can't pay guys for what they think they are. And most players do not age like fine wines.

I don't see the relevance to Hanifin here at all.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Fair and good point, but there are more examples of it not working than working. Hanifin doesn’t strike me as a guy that loves the city and just has to play here or even works crazy hard. He is one of those mercenary type guys to me, if you pay anyone enough sure, they’ll play here.

He has stated multiple times he loves Calgary, if he didn't like the city he would not be contemplating staying at all.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Hanifin is good, you could argue that he's a top pairing guy or an elite second pairing guy, but he just isn't a game breaker or difference maker. The team needs the freedom to find the elite core pieces to build around. Having Hanifin would be great if the team had an elite #1 but they don't.

Trade Hanifin or Anderson.

Well, the Flames are not going to find that player on the UFA market or in a trade. They will need to draft him, and then it will take another 3-4 years after having drafted him before he becomes that player. In the meantime, they will need defensemen, and will experience a good deal if turnover on the roster, which will potentially also create necessary cap room. That cap room will also be increasing annually as the cap increases, also increasing the value of whatever deal Hanifin signs today.

I don't think anyone is operating under the delusion that Hanifin is the golden ticket to a Stanley Cup. But, he is a really good defenseman who wants to play here. If the Flames do sign him and continue through a rebuild, it's pretty likely that this will not be the only opportunity they have to move him.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Fair and good point, but there are more examples of it not working than working. Hanifin doesn’t strike me as a guy that loves the city and just has to play here or even works crazy hard. He is one of those mercenary type guys to me, if you pay anyone enough sure, they’ll play here.

So, seriously, how did you come to form this opinion?

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[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has stated multiple times he loves Calgary, if he didn't like the city he would not be contemplating staying at all.

He loves $$$$$$$$

Is what he loves. I’d “love” any city too if they were gonna pay me $60mm to play hockey.

[devo22]

that's just your assumptions, based on absolutely nothing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

He loves $$$$$$$$



Is what he loves. I’d “love” any city too if they were gonna pay me $60mm to play hockey.

Again, where are you getting this information?

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[Mr.Coffee]

True, we’ll see who’s right.