[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Hanifin has a fiancé so there’s everyone’s answer to what probably happens . And he had discussions with the whole family over the break. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the family wants him to play out the year and walk to free agency. An overpayment might sway him especially after seeing what happened to Johnny. Maybe the fiancé likes Calgary!

His fiance is from the Boston area as well correct?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

His fiance is from the Boston area as well correct?

She is.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

This is on the fans.

We're clearly not doing well enough at pawning off our daughters to these players and marrying for the sake of the team's future.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by blankall

At a certain point you have to choose to compete too. Which means surrounding young players with solid playoff ready vets. Letting yourself get bent over by players like Lindholm, Toffoli, etc....making absurd demands for retirement contracts gets you nowhere though.

There's a difference between surrounding your players with a few vets and having a veteran fourth line that you're paying >$10M a season. The Flames have done more of the latter in recent history and it hasn't worked out.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

His fiance is from the Boston area as well correct?

too close to home....

[blankall]

Originally Posted by cannon7

There's a difference between surrounding your players with a few vets and having a veteran fourth line that you're paying >$10M a season. The Flames have done more of the latter in recent history and it hasn't worked out.

Overpaying for ineffective vets and stifling the development of your young players is just dumb. The Flames did that for way too long. You need to find a balance. There's absolutely no reason that players like Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, etc... weren't getting more (or any) playing time in the last couple of years.

The best teams often have several contributing players on ELCs, and that's how they become the best teams, as they have cap to spend (wisely) elsewhere.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Not if they're interested in a fair contract and the team is competitive. Some players in fact are willing to sign fair term deals. Backlund, for example.

I'm not doling out max term deals to veterans on a losing team.

So you've amended your previous position. That's good.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I know Hanifin is great 5v5, but I do think for 7+ mil you want a PP producer

Sincerely hope that is how the Oilers look at Bouchard this summer. Throw him a monster deal for those PP points.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sincerely hope that is how the Oilers look at Bouchard this summer. Throw him a monster deal for those PP points.

Bouchard definitely worth $10 x 8!

[dino7c]

Yeah a good 5 on 5 dman is way more important than a PP specialist

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

This is on the fans.

We're clearly not doing well enough at pawning off our daughters to these players and marrying for the sake of the team's future.

By far the funniest thing I've heard in years lol.

[Roof-Daddy]

So one insider says he hears we can expect a Hanifin extension soon, while someone else says he hears the ask is too high for Conny's liking and he thinks they can replace his minutes internally with Shilly and that he's now being actively shopped and that potentially a sign a trade is being worked on to extract maximum value.

So maybe that's why one insider hears an extension is being worked on. Extension to be followed by a trade perhaps?

I salivate at the potential return Conny might get for an extended Hanifin.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah a good 5 on 5 dman is way more important than a PP specialist

No one said PP specialist, let's not move the goalposts here.

If you want the big bucks, you need to be a complete player, and that includes production. And if you aren't on the PP, it says a fair bit about a) you, or b) your team. Considering there are NO PP guys on the Flames, it says a fair bit that Hanifin hasn't earned that role.

Really good player. Just a question of price/value. And I find it hard to justify giving him 20-25% more than Weegar.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm fine with that ... I lean to dealing him too.

Won't be upset if they sign him though, as he is the guy I'd choose to sign if I had to pick one.

I do have fear of trading too much and then going Buffalo for the next 12 years.

I think Buffalo and Edmonton get brought up too much in terms of being afraid of rebuilding/tearing it down. What doesn't get talked about when it comes to Buffalo is that they didn't simply try to rebuild and failed for 12 straight years.

They originally had really cheap ownership/ownership turmoil and were basically shedding cap and players when they should have been starting to take the next step, which was a big factor in "failing" once and having to rebuild again.

A good rebuild will start to bare serious fruit in the 5-7 year range and will likely have two bottom outs. So Buffalo is at 12 years due to ownership turmoil which Calgary does not have.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah a good 5 on 5 dman is way more important than a PP specialist

Nobody said specialist, just at that money you should do both

Edit: What Enoch Root said

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Oilers/ Buffalo are worst case scenarios. I view this more like going New York Rangers.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah minus being the single most attractive market for UFAs.

Yeah, just like I don't agree with always pointing to Buffalo and Edmonton as a "warning" against rebuilding, I also don't agree with people pointing to the Rangers as how quick and successful a rebuild can be.

Look at some of their top end talent. Norris winning, elite number one D-man basically told NHL GM's he'd be playing in New York at the draft. Trouba decides to force his way there. Panarin signs there as a free agent as one of the top NHL forwards at the time.

Rangers success has little to do with a smart rebuild and everything to do with players forcing their way to them because it's New York city.

[cannon7]

Bruins don't have a 2024 first round pick, so what is a workable deal for a sign-and-traded Hanifin?

DeBrusk ($4M cap dump, pending UFA) or Grzelcyk ($3.6M cap dump, pending UFA), Poitras, 2025 1st?

Am interested in Lohrei, too.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What I am hearing in regards to Hanifin is this, the offer is still on the table and Hanifin has still not decided. The Flames have not really been shopping Hanifin up until this point, they have given him the time to decide. Now Conroy is starting to reach out to teams about Hanifin but the offer still stands, in other words it could go either way still. I expect due to how long Hanifin has strung this along that he will end up traded but he just as easily could decide to sign the contract, I am not Hanifin so I have no idea. I do believe he legitimately can't decide, loves the team and the organization, likes Calgary, but is not sure where the team is heading as far as being competitive and he is an American. We know the boarder shutdown during Covid was not easy on guys who couldn't get back across the boarder, I think that scares some guys. Sorry I don't have anything concrete on what direction he is going.

These two points aren't true. Conroy has an answer from Hanifin he's just not releasing it to the public, so there's no scenario where an offer still stands and he's being shopped. A decision is made and I'm hearing he's gone, which makes sense as you'd likely hear rumblings of a signing coming rather than rumblings of a trade.

Also, Conroy has been in involved in talks with teams on a Hanifin trade all season and Hanifin has been kept up to date and given feedback through his agent as he has a NTC. If the right trade was available any point in the past few months, Conroy would have made it, he was not putting himself in a polite corner by giving Hanifin the better part of the season to decide. That makes no sense.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Nobody said specialist, just at that money you should do both

Edit: What Enoch Root said

well he could for one IMO...also 7.5M is not top dollar by any means

He makes more than Weegar because he is younger and signed the deal 2 years later with the cap about to go up. If Weegar was 27 and a UFA right now he would be getting more than 7.5

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

These two points aren't true. Conroy has an answer from Hanifin he's just not releasing it to the public, so there's no scenario where an offer still stands and he's being shopped. A decision is made and I'm hearing he's gone, which makes sense as you'd likely hear rumblings of a signing coming rather than rumblings of a trade.

Also, Conroy has been in involved in talks with teams on a Hanifin trade all season and Hanifin has been kept up to date and given feedback through his agent as he has a NTC. If the right trade was available any point in the past few months, Conroy would have made it, he was not putting himself in a polite corner by giving Hanifin the better part of the season to decide. That makes no sense.

Well we will see won't we.