American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Looch City]

Biden is a disaster! Will literally ruin America! Just look at these past 4 years. You walk outside, you get shot.

Trump 2024!

[Harry Lime]

Watching the video in the Ukraine thread, Arnold is such a better option for President than anyone currently making the attempt. He would wipe the floor with politicians on either side, and if he ran Republican he could probably stop the ridiculous block voting.

Not letting someone run because they were born in another country, but spent the majority of their life in America, is stupid. Just make it a percentage, or something.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Didn't Bidens council recommend dropping charges due to his diminished mental capacity?
The guy running the country?
It's not occasional verbal gaffes. The dude doesn't know what planet he's on.

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/u...documents.html

Not sure what Trump has to do with this or why you would bring it up, other than to deflect and poison the well.

"The decision on Thursday not to file criminal charges against President Biden for mishandling classified documents should have been an unequivocal legal exoneration.

Instead, it was a political disaster.

The investigation into Mr. Biden’s handling of the documents after being vice president concluded that he was a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” and had “diminished faculties in advancing age” — such startling assertions that they prompted a fiery and emotional attempt at political damage control from the president within hours."

Look at it however you want, the guy should be in the old folks home, not running what's considered the most powerful nation on earth.

His press conference came across as bitter and petulant as he insulted reporters, kinda like Trump, since he needs to be included in every us political discussion.

Biden is a train wreck, looks weak, and unless the DNC can come up with a candidate who can inspire all Americans, everyone here can look forward to whining about the orange man for another 4 years.

Read your own comment. I'll go through it with you to help.

1) The most obvious part you got wrong is that there were no charges to drop.

2) There were no charges because "for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr. Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.". Not because of any diminished capacity. Even your NY Times article does not say they were related. The report itself it does not say that (which you can download here: https://www.justice.gov/storage/repo...ruary-2024.pdf )

3) The gaffes clearly to point to some diminished ability to speak without gaffes, but in some media circles they're clearly hyperbolized

4) The reason I bring up Trump is your comment about Biden belonging in a seniors home and not running the country. The leading candidate to do that instead is a much worse alternative so it's not for no reason that Biden



Hope that helps

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Read your own comment. I'll go through it with you to help.

1) The most obvious part you got wrong is that there were no charges to drop.

2) There were no charges because "for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr. Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.". Not because of any diminished capacity. Even your NY Times article does not say they were related. The report itself it does not say that (which you can download here: https://www.justice.gov/storage/repo...ruary-2024.pdf )

3) The gaffes clearly to point to some diminished ability to speak without gaffes, but in some media circles they're clearly hyperbolized

4) The reason I bring up Trump is your comment about Biden belonging in a seniors home and not running the country. The leading candidate to do that instead is a much worse alternative so it's not for no reason that Biden



Hope that helps

Yes, I misspoke. Please accept my apologies.
Charges were not filed.
It was mentioned in the report, -among other things- before we blow our wad on semantics, that while he's a well meaning man, he's just not all there. Nice guy, just dumb.
So he holds a press conference which did very little to dissuade those remarks, and goes off on anyone who dared to question otherwise. Quickly shuffled off stage because I'm sure Matlock started soon and he needed a warm glass of milk.

[chockfullofgoodness]

HUR report says Biden's memory is shot. He doesn't even remember what year his son died, among other things.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/specia...ysis-1.7109811

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I’m not even 40 and I can’t remember what happened last week. He’s old AF, of course his memory sucks. Doesn’t make him a bad president. He’s also not crazy, like republican candidate.

Should they have someone younger? Yes. Is Biden the best option between a ###### and a turd sandwich? It’s not even close.

[nik-]

I legit thought they would have had Harris out front more during this presidency building towards her on the top of the ticket in 2024, but they really just didn't at all.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by nik-

I legit thought they would have had Harris out front more during this presidency building towards her on the top of the ticket in 2024, but they really just didn't at all.

She seems to be absolutely lit on Area 51 grade quaaludes every time she speaks. Never became the face of the party like some had hoped and isn’t as beloved as some people imagined she could become. After the Hillary debacle the kingmakers must have learned if a woman is even slightly unlikeable she’s toast.

Fair? Nope but that’s showbiz baby

[Mazrim]

The last few pages of this thread are a perfect example of why there should be an upper age limit for politicans. These guys should be in some retirement home, not running for president.

[Mr.Coffee]

You know your country’s in trouble when you can be so geopolitically manipulated by simply having a historically / traditionally hostile foreign enemy nation just simply say they support one of your political parties, or frame certain contexts to endear themselves to that party, and everybody who supports said party just accepts their word.

Like, Americans know the Russians want to crush them, right? They didn’t even have to shoot a gun, and they’ve already largely inflicted mass damage to America through social media platforms designed by their own country. It’s pretty wild to see Tucker Carlson go interview that Hitler wannabe and then turn around and say “hey- we kinda get his side of things!” And now millions of Americans will agree.

Broken countries have bad forecasts. The future is sad for the United States. I think it all started when they stopped educating their people.

Like, the dems/ repubs hatred for each other has surpassed their unison in keeping the country together, obviously, if the repubs are off thinking about backing Russia. It’s game over.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by nik-

I legit thought they would have had Harris out front more during this presidency building towards her on the top of the ticket in 2024, but they really just didn't at all.

People like her less than they like Biden, so that's not really a winning strategy.

At this point, you have to assume that the Democrats and the administration are in full-on denial mode. Biden is an awful candidate who'd be 86 by the end of his 2nd term. He shouldn't be running to begin with, but if he is, the candidate for Vice-President is more important than ever. But they seem to be content running again with Harris?

There's a real dissonance between the threat they argue that Trump poses if he wins again and how seriously they seem to be taking the 2024 campaign. If this really is the future of American democracy at stake, then why are they content going with Biden/Harris again?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

People like her less than they like Biden, so that's not really a winning strategy.

At this point, you have to assume that the Democrats and the administration are in full-on denial mode. Biden is an awful candidate who'd be 86 by the end of his 2nd term. He shouldn't be running to begin with, but if he is, the candidate for Vice-President is more important than ever. But they seem to be content running again with Harris?

There's a real dissonance between the threat they argue that Trump poses if he wins again and how seriously they seem to be taking the 2024 campaign. If this really is the future of American democracy at stake, then why are they content going with Biden/Harris again?

I think they are just terrified by fear and won't make a move. It's easier to do nothing than something.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The last few pages of this thread are a perfect example of why there should be an upper age limit for politicans. These guys should be in some retirement home, not running for president.

It reminds me of all the stories that came out after Reagan left office. He wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimer's until 5-6 years out of office, but the rumours and stories were that his 2nd term was rough

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by nik-

I legit thought they would have had Harris out front more during this presidency building towards her on the top of the ticket in 2024, but they really just didn't at all.

Back when she was a senator, I was a pretty big fan. She was sharp, fast and destroyed people in Congress during committee hearings, etc. The change was so drastic once she became VP. Not sure what the hell happened.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Back when she was a senator, I was a pretty big fan. She was sharp, fast and destroyed people in Congress during committee hearings, etc. The change was so drastic once she became VP. Not sure what the hell happened.

I dont think you can point to her lack of attention as being her fault.

[GioforPM]

People said Biden was past it compared to Trump last election. Then they debated and Biden kicked his ass.

Trump's mental gaffes are WAY worse than Biden's.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Back when she was a senator, I was a pretty big fan. She was sharp, fast and destroyed people in Congress during committee hearings, etc. The change was so drastic once she became VP. Not sure what the hell happened.

Kamala Harris DESTROYS Congress during COMMITTEE hearing!

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The last few pages of this thread are a perfect example of why there should be an upper age limit for politicans. These guys should be in some retirement home, not running for president.

Well, one in a retirement home and one in prison.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by opendoor

People like her less than they like Biden, so that's not really a winning strategy.

At this point, you have to assume that the Democrats and the administration are in full-on denial mode. Biden is an awful candidate who'd be 86 by the end of his 2nd term. He shouldn't be running to begin with, but if he is, the candidate for Vice-President is more important than ever. But they seem to be content running again with Harris?

There's a real dissonance between the threat they argue that Trump poses if he wins again and how seriously they seem to be taking the 2024 campaign. If this really is the future of American democracy at stake, then why are they content going with Biden/Harris again?

I’m not sure she’s electable. There are several other candidates waiting their turn.

[SutterBrother]

Biden may be an old man with a faulty memory... but Trump is a straight moron.

I don't say that as hyperbole either. Like, he's legitimately one of the dumbest public figures I've ever seen.

Remember that time in the press conference he asked if we should be injecting bleach?
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I don't know anyone else in my life that stupid. That's one example off the top of my head.

Sadly, there's only two choices. I hate idiots, so I'll go with the other guy.