[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I’m sure it’s just a brain fart but Conroy played center. Lydman maybe?

Yeah. That was supposed to say Regehr. Edited.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The fact they didn’t pan out for other teams is irrelevant. The suggestion was AZ never sold players hitting their prime at that age. They did. They were all guys looking to produce at the top of their game at that point in their careers.

The fact they didn't pan out in their supposed prime is precisely the point. Half those guys are still in their prime according to detractors here and those same geniuses would probably lock them up for 8 years because they had a good game against Boston or something.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Wait
So
Ok
Let’s not sign anyone because they might get injured in a way that cannot be fixed properly……..yet

Yeah, that's what I said. I said don't sign anyone. Let's have a roster with zero players. You captured my argument perfectly.

Since 1979 is apparently ancient history around here, lets use the last smooth skating defenceman the Flames let walk in T.J. Brodie. At 33 he's been trending down hard. Why isn't modern medicine saving him?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Hahahaha...cool.

Now look at the career length of every other skating-style defenseman since then. Oh, and be sure to start when orthoscopic surgery became a regular method of dealing with joint injury to extend careers.

Bobby Orr...jesus ####ing christ. May as well have gone back to the 20's and mentioned a player that stopped playing because of polio. Apples to apples please.

With modern medicine the average NHL career today is 5 years. The average retirement age is between 28-30. A player remaining productive at a high level into their 30's is the exception, not the rule. As such paying a guy $7-8M a season for 8 years in what is most likely going to be his least productive years is a bad investment.

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[dino7c]

Double P

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by cannon7

With modern medicine the average NHL career today is 5 years. The average retirement age is between 28-30. A player remaining productive at a high level into their 30's is the exception, not the rule. As such paying a guy $7-8M a season for 8 years in what is most likely going to be his least productive years is a bad investment.

Source

Hanifin will be good until at least his mid 30s IMO. He is not average in any way...these stats don't consider the position, play style, skillset, ect.
Average retirement age is totally irrelevant to a top end player. Like should the Oilers let McDrai walk?

Drai will be 30 when his next contract starts

[dissentowner]

From some things I have heard I would not be shocked to see a Hanifin extension in the near future.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From some things I have heard I would not be shocked to see a Hanifin extension in the near future.

Ugh...

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From some things I have heard I would not be shocked to see a Hanifin extension in the near future.

What have you heard? That he really likes it here?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

What have you heard? That he really likes it here?

He has always said he likes it here. What I have been told is to expect a Hanifin extension shortly. I have also heard that while there has been plenty of tire kicking on Tanev there has been not a lot of interest in Hanifin, the market has not been there. The only consistent team that has been poking around on Noah is Arizona. A couple problems with that, first they don't want to part with any of their young players nor their 1st, it would be a package of multiple 2nd round picks. There wouldn't be any extension in place for Hanifin so he might end up a rental. Two, the Coyotes might be one of the 8 teams on his no trade list and with the team being uncertain what their future is, players don't want to commit there. The Flames are looking for a 1st and an A prospect or young player that can be an impact player going forward, preferably a centre but the market just isn't there, teams don't want to pay that for what they believe will be a rental player. After the Sergachev injury I believe Tampa would suddenly show interest but they don't have the assets we would want for Hanifin. Besides liking the player and believing he is a great long term fit that is the other reason Conroy is pushing hard to sign him, the market is very soft for Hanifin and I don't think he wants to have to take a low ball offer at the final minute just to get something. Hanifin likes Calgary and he likes his teammates, that was never an issue.

[bluejays]

Most important question - what’s the term? Please say under four years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Most important question - what’s the term? Please say under four years.

Didn't get that info. If I had to guess it is the 8 year contract that has been in the table all along. I don't know though any details on salary, term, clauses....

[Heavy Jack]

lol it won’t be 4.

Likely going to be 8 and I’m fine with that, look at how much we love Tanev who’s as old as Hanifin will be at the end of an 8 year commitment. Hanifin is an interesting player, he could be topped out in terms of development or he could potentially hit another gear, to be at 600+ games at his age is pretty remarkable. I went into this season thinking if we kept one of the pending UFA’s it would be Hanifin because of age and position. Conny is killing it, 8 x 7.5 was the deal on the table which is a little rich but Hanifin has earned a lengthy deal and it sets the D moving forward.

[dissentowner]

I got sent this information at 2am EST, had just fallen asleep and my phone woke me up, have not been able to talk back asleep since. Ugh.

[kyuss275]

I do wonder if they re-sign hanifin and are in playoff spot/or extremely close,if they just end up keeping tanev signed or not.

[Heavy Jack]

Ahh that’s the worst. Weekend nap scheduled! :P cheers for the info Diss!!

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I got sent this information at 2am EST, had just fallen asleep and my phone woke me up, have not been able to talk back asleep since. Ugh.

You are doing good work. You can sleep after the deadline

[blankall]

Originally Posted by cannon7

With modern medicine the average NHL career today is 5 years. The average retirement age is between 28-30. A player remaining productive at a high level into their 30's is the exception, not the rule. As such paying a guy $7-8M a season for 8 years in what is most likely going to be his least productive years is a bad investment.

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5 years? That also includes all the players that aren't NHL calibre. This article is BS. Part way through it admits that good players average 12 years and bad players average 1 year, bit then tries to hyper focus on injuries as the culprit.

Top defencemen don't even typically reach their prime until their late twenties or even early thirties.

Hanifin also plays a style of game that isn't especially hard on the body. He has no nagging injury issues.

Hanifin will almost certainly be at his current or better level for another 4-6 years, and still serviceable as a top 4 after that. As far as long term veteran contracts go, that puts him in the very low risk category.

Hanifin, barring an unforeseen injury, is a good bet. About as good as these 7-8 year vet contracts can be

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yeah, that's what I said. I said don't sign anyone. Let's have a roster with zero players. You captured my argument perfectly.

Since 1979 is apparently ancient history around here, lets use the last smooth skating defenceman the Flames let walk in T.J. Brodie. At 33 he's been trending down hard. Why isn't modern medicine saving him?

Oh
Ok
My mistake
Here I mistakenly thought that you brought forward Bobby Orr as an example of a defenseman who’s production dropped off a cliff in his 30’s

THAT would have been stupid

[Lanny_McDonald]

So sick of indecision by this team. It's well beyond #### or get off the pot time. If Hanifin wants to be here, sign the ####ing contract. Otherwise, trade him and move forward. Display some control over these situations for the first time in a very long time.