[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by devo22

I think "I don't want to play for the Flames" and "I'm not sure I want to commit for 8 years" are two completely different things. Pretty sure Hanifin is firmly in the second bracket, and I get it - there's uncertainty right now as to where this team is going. I've always liked Hanifin and I have no ill will towards him whatsoever if he decides to move on. If Conroy has his answer, there's more than enough time to facilitate a trade and work on a possible sign-and-trade.

I fully expect Hanifin to fetch a very, very healthy return, especially with an extension in place. As much as I like Noah, this is exciting ... in addition to the Lindholm and Tanev trades, it could set the Flames up extremely well for the future.

I can definitely see a situation where Hanifin doesn't necessarily want the upheaval of moving, or dealing with the uncertainties of free agency, but he may also be wary of committing long term with the team venturing into unknown territory.

They talked about it on Barn Burner yesterday though, that it's not like Hanifin would be untradeable in 2 or 3 years. Maybe Hanifin decides giving it a try with the new guys coming in, but with the caveat that if after a few seasons it isn't going the direction he wants, the Flames can do their best to trade him at that point.

[camm13]

He's so wishy washy. Then just bank on yourself like Matthews did and do something like a 4 year deal to see how the Flames play out the next few years and with the new arena coming. I don't see why it's got to be 8 years or nothing.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What I am hearing in regards to Hanifin is this, the offer is still on the table and Hanifin has still not decided. The Flames have not really been shopping Hanifin up until this point, they have given him the time to decide. Now Conroy is starting to reach out to teams about Hanifin but the offer still stands, in other words it could go either way still. I expect due to how long Hanifin has strung this along that he will end up traded but he just as easily could decide to sign the contract, I am not Hanifin so I have no idea. I do believe he legitimately can't decide, loves the team and the organization, likes Calgary, but is not sure where the team is heading as far as being competitive and he is an American. We know the boarder shutdown during Covid was not easy on guys who couldn't get back across the boarder, I think that scares some guys. Sorry I don't have anything concrete on what direction he is going.

Sorry but he has long enough to make a decision. If he’s not 100% in by now then you trade him.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by camm13

He's so wishy washy. Then just bank on yourself like Matthews did and do something like a 4 year deal to see how the Flames play out the next few years and with the new arena coming. I don't see why it's got to be 8 years or nothing.

Because he knows age 32 Hanifin is never going to get a team to overpay like he wants Calgary to do for age 28 Hanifin.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by camm13

He's so wishy washy. Then just bank on yourself like Matthews did and do something like a 4 year deal to see how the Flames play out the next few years and with the new arena coming. I don't see why it's got to be 8 years or nothing.

Put yourself in his shoes. what would you do?

take the enticing 7/8 year contract you are guaranteed, or roll the dice and cut that in half and hope you are as healthy, productive and desirable in 4 years time?

easy choice

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Because he knows age 32 Hanifin is never going to get a team to overpay like he wants Calgary to do for age 28 Hanifin.

This is framed like he's being selfish. Just about every single NHL player (and any pro athlete in any sport) is going to take the big contract when they reach UFA status.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sorry but he has long enough to make a decision. If he’s not 100% in by now then you trade him.

You 100% move forward with driving a trade, and pull the trigger if you get what you want.

But the he needs to be in by now mentality makes no sense. It makes no difference whether we sign him today or 5 days from now re: the outcome. This isn't a romantic relationship where needing any amount of time to make your mind up is some sort of indicator on if "he's actually into us". This is 100% a business decision for both sides (understood non business factors play in), and if you are Conroy or Hanifin, you make make the best business decision you can whenever that comes up.

If the Flames want Hanifin, and they haven't traded him in the next 2 days and he comes back and says he wants the deal, you take it. Don't make some dumb decision cause he "took to long".

The only dumb move Conroy can make at this point is NOT starting to pursue his trade options for him, and not take a trade he likes if one gets offered in "hopes" Hanifin might come around.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

This is framed like he's being selfish. Just about every single NHL player (and any pro athlete in any sport) is going to take the big contract when they reach UFA status.

Let him have at it! There's nothing wrong with being selfish in that situation.

As a Calgary fan, I don't want the Flames to cave into it.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Put yourself in his shoes. what would you do?

take the enticing 7/8 year contract you are guaranteed, or roll the dice and cut that in half and hope you are as healthy, productive and desirable in 4 years time?

easy choice

Put yourself in the Flames shoes. What would you do?

Roll the dice and ensure a 7-8 year contract that gives you no escape route and the player gets regardless of performance, or be protective of your future balance sheet knowing that Zary, Pelletier, Honzek, Suniev, Poirier, and hopefully many more are coming due, and offer as little term as possible for an asset embarking on a decline?

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Put yourself in his shoes. what would you do?

take the enticing 7/8 year contract you are guaranteed, or roll the dice and cut that in half and hope you are as healthy, productive and desirable in 4 years time?

easy choice

Yes, I get that. But seeing as how he seems seriously conflicted on whether or not to leave here. Then take the gamble and see where this team goes. The cap is going up, he's been a relatively healthy player so far. If it was so cut and dry, and purely all about the money, he would have signed the 8 years already.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Put yourself in the Flames shoes. What would you do?

Roll the dice and ensure a 7-8 year contract that gives you no escape route and the player gets regardless of performance, or be protective of your future balance sheet knowing that Zary, Pelletier, Honzek, Suniev, Poirer, and hopefully many more are coming due, and offer as little term as possible for an asset embarking on a decline?

Noah is probably still a ways away from that eventual decline. and even if we see a gradual decline in his early 30's, his cap hit relative to what the cap will be then will be a smaller percentage. It won't take away roster flexibility as bad as it will in the first few years. The first few years (in theory) are more of a re-tool anyways, so to me - that's okay.

But I am good with either. He's a really good defenseman still on the young-ish side, seemingly hasn't even peaked yet. Those don't grow on trees. It could take another 5-6 years to develop even 1 of our d-men in the pipeline to his level.

I know he's not flashy but he's a very very good NHL hockey player that logs a lot of minutes.

If we trade him - I like that direction too. To me this really is a win-win situation.

[butterfly]

People who are in "The cap is going up" camp seem to conveniently forget that their 18-23 year old players will be worth what they're worth as a percentage of that cap.

And still want to spend the money on prime or post-prime players. As a losing team that's in the lottery. That's kind of how we got into the Tkachuk bridge deal situation to begin with. The cap was going up, until it didn't.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by camm13

He's so wishy washy. Then just bank on yourself like Matthews did and do something like a 4 year deal to see how the Flames play out the next few years and with the new arena coming. I don't see why it's got to be 8 years or nothing.

Because he's not Matthews.

Matthews wants to break the bank again in 4 years.

Hanifin doesn't have that skill level, he needs to take all the money he can while he can.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

But I am good with either. He's a really good defenseman still on the young-ish side, seemingly hasn't even peaked yet. Those don't grow on trees. It could take another 5-6 years to develop even 1 of our d-men in the pipeline to his level.

I don't know, find another abrasive 5th round pick F and malcontent D to send somewhere for the next Lindholm and Hanifin. And sign them both to below market contracts for their primes and nothing else.

It's not impossible. Treliving did it.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't know, find another abrasive 5th round pick F and malcontent D to send somewhere for the next Lindholm and Hanifin. And sign them both to below market contracts for their primes and nothing else.

It's not impossible. Treliving did it.

I'm not sure we should be using Treliving as the bar. The guy lead us to one playoff series win in his entire tenure? He was not a good GM. Sure, maybe he was good at negotiating RFA contracts but other than that?

[camm13]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Because he's not Matthews.

Matthews wants to break the bank again in 4 years.

Hanifin doesn't have that skill level, he needs to take all the money he can while he can.

He wants to make bank, and have the freedom to go where he wants after 4 years.

[FusionX]

This may not be a bad thing... lets teams know it's not a done deal he's gone, so if they want him, better pony up

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So who's swapping jerseys tonight?

The Devils have to be a big player for any of those three players.

If they aren't, they're dumb. Or just don't want playoffs that bad.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by butterfly

People who are in "The cap is going up" camp seem to conveniently forget that their 18-23 year old players will be worth what they're worth as a percentage of that cap.

And still want to spend the money on prime or post-prime players. As a losing team that's in the lottery. That's kind of how we got into the Tkachuk bridge deal situation to begin with. The cap was going up, until it didn't.

Ya, what a terrible idea to spend money on prime players. That is how you become the Arizona Coyotes, selling off all your prime players. No thanks.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, what a terrible idea to spend money on prime players. That is how you become the Arizona Coyotes, selling off all your prime players. No thanks.

The team that has 1 more point than a game played. Same as the Calgary Flames.

The team that has 0 bad contracts. Better than the Calgary Flames.

The team that has won 2 playoff series since 2004. Same as the Calgary Flames.

The team that is loaded with draft picks. Better than the Calgary Flames.

What exactly are we doing that is better than Arizona?