Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

What about a private one that the government protects, i.e. multiple industries in Canada?

I don’t differentiate between the oligopolies and the monopolies. Both are worse than government run.

Only need to look at sask tel.

[Mr.Coffee]

Canada loves them, and they’re brutal.

Rail, telecoms….. etc

[Doctorfever]

Ahh the NDP. Your ‘alternative’ to the Liberal Party.

A little sample of what they bring to the table. How could anyone support this crap. To even propose something like this is absurd.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t differentiate between the oligopolies and the monopolies. Both are worse than government run.

Only need to look at sask tel.

Government run corporations like Manitoba Hydro, Quebec Hydro and BC Hydro seem to do a better job at keeping costs low for their customers than free market Alberta Power companies, no?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I think we should just allow access to all kinds of stuff when it comes to hormones and so on. Over the counter, Mexico style. You want puberty blockers? Fill your boots. Hormones, steroids, prohormones, and other PEDs? Have at 'er.

Just open all of it up. If it's only affecting the person taking them then I fail to see the problem.

Agreed. It's weird that a doctor will not/cannot prescribe anabolic steroids if someone identifies as Mr Olympia, but for kids who want them it's not a big deal. They can't get tats either.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ahh the NDP. Your ‘alternative’ to the Liberal Party.

A little sample of what they bring to the table. How could anyone support this crap. To even propose something like this is absurd.

Yeah, what other party would ban the promotion/advertising of harmful substances. That would be crazy and absurd.

[powderjunkie]

Is that bill just a copy-paste of the tobacco one a couple decades ago?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, what other party would ban the promotion/advertising of harmful substances. That would be crazy and absurd.

When can we except a bill against alcohol, cleaning products or batteries?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

When can we except a bill against alcohol, cleaning products or batteries?

Stop drinking batteries, nerd.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Stop drinking batteries, nerd.

I like to put them up my bum hole.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ahh the NDP. Your ‘alternative’ to the Liberal Party.

A little sample of what they bring to the table. How could anyone support this crap. To even propose something like this is absurd.

Just shows how ideologically bent they are. Complete energy illiteracy that will decimate this province and this country, actually. At a time when the complete opposite is needed.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Jacks

What happens if you make between 30K & 100K?

It's graduated.

[Fuzz]

While the agreement between the Liberals and NDP does not define pharmacare, New Democrats have insisted on a universal system that is publicly delivered and administered, with the federal government as the single payer.


The insurance industry has warned against adopting the NDP's preferred model, saying it would disrupt workplace health insurance plans. New Democrats have not called for an end to workplace insurance programs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sin...108293?cmp=rss


If the insurance industry's biggest issue is that "it would disrupt workplace health insurance plans," well, what does that even mean? And just how big a concern is it? Sounds like an excuse for them not to lose a cash cow.


An important note:

Decades later, though, Canada is the only developed nation in the world with a publicly funded universal system that does not include prescription drugs.

Let's do this.

[CaptainCrunch]

Liberals and NDP suspend the ArriveCan hearings, also Senior IT beaurocrat deleted 1700 emails.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...duct-hearings/

Liberal, Bloc Québécois and NDP MPs suddenly suspended parliamentary hearings related to ArriveCan and contracting misconduct allegations Wednesday after reading what one Liberal described as a “scary” secret preliminary report by a federal investigator.
They say any further hearings could put at risk investigations by the Canada Border Services Agency, which produced the report, and the RCMP.
The three parties voted together to end any further questioning of Michel Lafleur, the federal investigator, and made clear that they expect the committee will focus on other topics at future meetings.

For the most part, the four political parties involved, including the Conservatives, have co-operated on how to proceed throughout the study. That goodwill unravelled Wednesday.
“We’re doing a disservice to justice,” said Liberal MP and committee vice-chair Majid Jowhari. “And I’m being very, very serious about this. Very serious. I’m not a lawyer, okay, but what I read, it’s scary.”

he contents of the report have been distributed to all MPs on the committee but have not been made public.The report is by Mr. Lafleur, the CBSA’s executive director of professional integrity. He was asked in late 2022 to review allegations brought to the agency by Montreal software company Botler. As The Globe and Mail first reported in October, 2023, Botler’s allegations included concerns related to the use of inflated résumés in the contracting process and cozy ties between public servants and private contractors.
Botler did not work on ArriveCan, but the company’s allegations involved some of the same public servants, contractors and contracts that were connected to ArriveCan.
The RCMP has said that it is investigating the allegations brought forward by Botler, which were forwarded to the police by the CBSA. The RCMP has not said it is investigating ArriveCan.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Liberals and NDP suspend the ArriveCan hearings, also Senior IT beaurocrat deleted 1700 emails.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...duct-hearings/

lol.
lol.
lol.

What a disaster.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Liberals and NDP suspend the ArriveCan hearings, also Senior IT beaurocrat deleted 1700 emails.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...duct-hearings/

I read this last night and I'm not understanding what could be so scary that they are referencing? Is it scary in terms of potential national security risk? Scary in terms of contracts and illegalities in awarding those? I have no idea in what direction this investigation goes now.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I read this last night and I'm not understanding what could be so scary that they are referencing? Is it scary in terms of potential national security risk? Scary in terms of contracts and illegalities in awarding those? I have no idea in what direction this investigation goes now.

There appears to be bribery involved and collective efforts to hide the evidence from the top down, and the report was apparently leaked to Brock. Read between the lines.

The Globe reported last month that the federal government has suspended Health Canada assistant deputy minister Cameron MacDonald and Canada Revenue Agency director-general Antonio Utano without pay in connection with the CBSA’s review of misconduct allegations.

Mr. Lafleur appeared before the same committee on Monday. During that meeting it was revealed that Mr. Brock had a copy of the report but other MPs did not. The committee decided Monday to privately distribute the report to MPs on the committee only, and not to their staff. Mr. Lafleur returned to the committee Wednesday, but MPs ultimately voted to end the meeting without asking him any further questions.

Another article on it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...on-to-defence/

Mr. Brock’s questioning had a clear theme: that Mr. Lafleur’s preliminary report was unfairly negative and perhaps Mr. Lafleur had withheld information from the RCMP to make Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Utano look bad. He also suggested the investigators had gone easy on the person that Mr. MacDonald had blamed – Mr. Doan, now the federal government’s chief technology officer.

The Globe and Mail reported in January that a CBSA IT employee had alleged that Mr. Doan took unusual steps that led to the destruction of e-mails – which Mr. Doan denied.

At the hearing, Mr. Lafleur testified that a review is continuing but he has not seen any evidence of e-mails being deliberately deleted. Still, Mr. Brock asked Mr. Lafleur when the Auditor-General was “notified of four years of deleted relevant e-mails.” When Mr. Lafleur replied that he had found no evidence of deleted e-mails, Mr. Brock complained he wasn’t answering the question, and asked it again. And again.

It appears Brock got a leaked report (unknown how he got it as far as I know) and knew what's on it, gave questionings based on that report and the allegations are way worse than be investigator was leading the committee to believe. Brock wasn't meant to have the report, and alluded that Cameron MacDonald and Antonio Utano may be scapegoats to protect others higher up the food chain, and Lafleur may have a part in that coverup.

The premise / reasoning behind the stopping of hearings is that revealing such could jeopardize an RCMP investigation.

I think it should continue, the public needs to know, and needs to know prior to an election how deep the Liberal corruption goes.

[CaptainCrunch]

If I could trust the RCMP on anything like this, then fine.

Combining this report which has allegations of sweet heart contracts, no work done by contractors, visits between these contracting firms and senior officials at personal homes, possible bribes, as well as the information about 1700 emails being erased which is semi criminal, I do think this committee investigation needs to continue.

All that's going to happen if they shut this down and say that the RCMP is investigating it is the same thing that happened when the RCMP wanted to investigate SNC Lavalin. The PMO office will block it and deny access to information and the RCMP will give up.

[Fuzz]

If you are counting on the RCMP prioritizing getting this done before the next election, I'd like to refer you to the speed at which they've resolved the issues around Jason Kenney and his first leadership campaign that took place sometime before the invention of the wheel. In short, haha.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you are counting on the RCMP prioritizing getting this done before the next election, I'd like to refer you to the speed at which they've resolved the issues around Jason Kenney and his first leadership campaign that took place sometime before the invention of the wheel. In short, haha.

Yeah, I think you can expect this to be placed firmly under the rug until the public forgets about it.