[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[zukes]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You can if you have a deadline of the all star break and now there’s a game in the books since then. I hope he does assess his options, but that’s bad form.

Deadline’s over, heard nothing, bye.

How do you know his agent and the team aren't working on a contract or a trade? I missed where there was a deadline, but if there was, I am sure that they have communicated whatever the decision was and now they are either working on a contract or a trade.

Why do you think they would put this out in the media?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by butterfly

How will things look two weeks from now?
Next September?
4.5 years from now?

Nothing that happened since that all star break deadline was issued should change your answer.

What arbitrary deadline are you talking about?

It was loosely mentioned that the Flames and Hanifin were hoping to have an idea by the end of the all-star break.

There is no inherent rule he has to abide by. I don't get the hang up on this "deadline"

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by zukes

If you can't see the difference between giving an 8 year contract (what Toffoli wanted) to a soon to be 32 year old (April) forward that doesn't skate well and profiles to be at the very end of his peak years (forwards peak sooner and age quicker for the most part) or a just turned 27 (January) defenseman who may just be entering his peak then we need to stop discussing this.

If Toffoli would have been willing to sign until he was 35 at the going AAV for his type of player, he'd still be a Flame.

I’m not complaining about either Toffoli deal. They brought him in when there was a division winner and got rid of him when it made sense.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If you had Tij Iginla, would you trade him straight up for Hanifin at 8x$7.5?

Depends upon the circumstances.
If I am a team that is top 5 in the league with a good core of signed top end players and I believe that I am going to seriously compete for the cup for the next 5 years and I need the depth and reliability of Hanifin as my #3 defenseman that I would make that deal.

If I am a team that is competitive but not a serious contender than I would take the younger player.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Teroy

If we're going to trade everyone away for picks and spend a couple of years building. I'd rather:
I love Tanev but fear a major injury so trade him for picks
Trade Markstrom for picks and go with Vladar and Wolf. Why keep him if the next few years we'll be middling? We better get Wolf to the Flames before another team outbids us and he's gone....
Sign Hanifin for goodness sake. He's only 27 and having his best year.

So close...

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

What arbitrary deadline are you talking about?

It was loosely mentioned that the Flames and Hanifin were hoping to have an idea by the end of the all-star break.

There is no inherent rule he has to abide by. I don't get the hang up on this "deadline"

The deadline that was tightly mentioned was the end of the all star break.

There’s also no rule Conroy has to abide by. Get a Lindholm haul, wish him well, and let him find a $60M deal in paradise. No hard feelings.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by shutout

Mercer for Tanev + 2024 first round pick from Vancouver

I'd do that without thinking twice.

I really can't imagine a guy like Mercer would be available, but who knows.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You can if you have a deadline of the all star break and now there’s a game in the books since then. I hope he does assess his options, but that’s bad form.

Deadline’s over, heard nothing, bye.

Thing is you're assuming that the deadline for his decision has passed, or that a discussion hasn't happened with the Flames already.

It's quite possible he's said he'd say and they are ironing out the final details of a contract.

Or he's told them he's going to test UFA and now Conroy has to start gathering the best offers in the market.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The deadline that was tightly mentioned was the end of the all star break.

There’s also no rule Conroy has to abide by. Get a Lindholm haul, wish him well, and let him find a $60M deal in paradise. No hard feelings.

Of course not. I don't see the conflict here? A decision has likely been made/is being made in the coming days.

Why are you inferring tension that likely doesn't exist?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

What arbitrary deadline are you talking about?

It was loosely mentioned that the Flames and Hanifin were hoping to have an idea by the end of the all-star break.

There is no inherent rule he has to abide by. I don't get the hang up on this "deadline"

yeah the deadline is the trade deadline

some of you guys must suck at poker

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shutout

Lose them?

Trade them!
Why pay for UFA years.
Draft well and max out RFA contracts but then sell when they become UFA pending and don't sign other UFA players.
Keep a continual pipeline of picks and prospects coming into the team.
Add two rookies every year should be the goal so moving out pending UFA for younger players, prospects, and picks should be the goal.

Build a team around three lines of second line talent players and draft for home run opportunities in the rounds 3-7. Goal should be to have 4 picks in the first three rounds every year. Draft for great not good and serviceable.

If you have the pipeline of picks and prospects you will be able to outbid when a superstar becomes available.

When you have a top 10 team that competes to make the final four every year you can adjust the UFA rule to allow to sign or retain players that are top 5% (top 40) in the league. Unless they are that level why take them when you can have the cap space and the younger players.

And when your "home run opportunities" are entering into their prime at 26 and 27, sell them, right? And forever be a rebuilding team. No team competing for the final four hasn't retained some of their players into UFA years. This strategy sees TB getting rid of Hedman at age 27 and Stamkos at 26, before their present deals. They also should not have extended Point last year I guess.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by shutout

Lose them?

Trade them!
Why pay for UFA years.
Draft well and max out RFA contracts but then sell when they become UFA pending and don't sign other UFA players.
Keep a continual pipeline of picks and prospects coming into the team.
Add two rookies every year should be the goal so moving out pending UFA for younger players, prospects, and picks should be the goal.

Build a team around three lines of second line talent players and draft for home run opportunities in the rounds 3-7. Goal should be to have 4 picks in the first three rounds every year. Draft for great not good and serviceable.

If you have the pipeline of picks and prospects you will be able to outbid when a superstar becomes available.

When you have a top 10 team that competes to make the final four every year you can adjust the UFA rule to allow to sign or retain players that are top 5% (top 40) in the league. Unless they are that level why take them when you can have the cap space and the younger players.

This sounds like a great way to end up with a bottom to middling team. The odds of hitting a second line player are pretty low let alone hitting on enough of them to consistently roll three lines of top six guys while shipping off everyone who is over 27.



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[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

yeah the deadline is the trade deadline

some of you guys must suck at poker

I’d never play against you.

Not that I don’t like you, but I’d lose.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As mentioned above by GioforPM, guys like Forbort are commanding $3 million a season. The people that want Hanafin gone may be up for a rude awakening when they find out how hard it's going to be to replace him in the lineup.

I'm in camp trade, and I'm not very concerned with adequately replacing him in the next 2-3 years. This is precisely the time the Flames should be bottoming out and getting a high draft pick. Keeping a solid top 4D while maintaining above-average goaltending will prevent that from happening. Give me more Oesterles or even cap dumps from other teams to acquire more assets.

I'm ok with overpaying for a UFA D in 2-3 years and prefer that to paying Hanifin market now in the hopes that you're competitive again in that timeframe. High draft picks in the next couple of years is the most important part of this rebuild/tool.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As mentioned above by GioforPM, guys like Forbort are commanding $3 million a season. The people that want Hanafin gone may be up for a rude awakening when they find out how hard it's going to be to replace him in the lineup.

Yeah but when you're throwing a boatload of money at the guy and he has still reportedly been humming and hawing, it points to the fact that it's another case of effectively convincing the player to stay.

He's never going to live up to a contract required to keep him and to be honest, his return (assuming Conroy hits another bomb) could far outweigh his value in just a few years.

[InternationalVillager]

wrong thread.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

You can if you have a deadline of the all star break and now there’s a game in the books since then. I hope he does assess his options, but that’s bad form.

Deadline’s over, heard nothing, bye.

Some of your takes...

The person is thinking about where they want to spend the next 7 or 8 years of their life. They aren't here solely for your entertainment pleasure.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'm in camp trade, and I'm not very concerned with adequately replacing him in the next 2-3 years. This is precisely the time the Flames should be bottoming out and getting a high draft pick. Keeping a solid top 4D while maintaining above-average goaltending will prevent that from happening. Give me more Oesterles or even cap dumps from other teams to acquire more assets.

I'm ok with overpaying for a UFA D in 2-3 years and prefer that to paying Hanifin market now in the hopes that you're competitive again in that timeframe. High draft picks in the next couple of years is the most important part of this rebuild/tool.

I am pretty ambivalent on Hanifin. It won't make me mad like Lindholm would have though.

[GioforPM]

Conroy can only really impose a hard deadline if he's got a trade offer he's willing to take. Otherwise, deadline passes, and he has nothing to back it up.

[Saqe]

I don't care if they overpay Hanifin. But he needs to want to stay and not ask for a trade in a year.