[Rumour] TSN: Hanifin decision expected in coming days. D market waits on Tanev

[Robbob]

That is the thing. Even signed at 7.5AVV, he is a tradable asset. All the signing does is make sure we don't walk him to FA this year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It’s possible he may not have but it’s highly probable his best days are not in the future. Aging curves peak well before most people realize it.

For defencemen, aging curves actually peak later than most people realise and drop off at a significantly slower rate than forwards.

The rumoured contract isn’t a very big one in today’s NHL, and I don’t really see a likely scenario where Hanifin doesn’t live up to it through the majority.

6 years would be ideal. But I’d be entirely unbothered by 8.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by zukes

What the hell are you talking about? An 8 year deal takes him to 35. Tanev is damn near that age and he’s still a very good dependable defenseman. Hanifin’s game should age better too. If he wants to stay at the rumour Ed deal you sign him!

Any asset we get in return you hope will be as good as Hanifin! Fan bases lose their minds about prospects and picks, but having good players is fun too!

The Flames got a haul for Lindholm, they’re likely getting two more pretty good assets for Tanev.

The team is younger, has future assets now, will have some cap space… I think keeping Hanifin makes so much sense.

I hate to break it to you, but on your 35th birthday you’re in the back half of your 30s.

Any draft pick we get in return will be 18. We will have a decade plus to build a team with them as part of it.

Do you think Vancouver is crying about Juolevi now since only Pettersson and Hughes worked out? Poor Colorado picking Jost when only Makar and Rantanen and MacKinnon worked out? Of course they all won’t work out. Get as many picks as you can to have a better chance.

[Robbob]

Gio signed his 6 year contract at 32. Having a Dman that skates well signed for a couple years after they are 32 isn't an issue.

[Jiggy_12]

Like Bingo said, for me its basically a win win now.

The main issues are dealt with and assets have been acquired. Tanev will likely get traded for something beneficial too.

Hanifin could be an important cog on this team for years - guys like him don't grow on trees. We would be lucky to trade Hanifin for an asset that turned out to be as good as he currently is. A lot has to go right for a guy to get to the stage he's at

[bluejays]

The same question came up last year about Lindholm where I’d say many thought they should give him that eight year deal. Now in hindsight I think most would recognize giving out those contracts to aging vets is a huge risk that is unlikely to work out, especially in the back half of the contract.

Now when reading the same about Hanifin, what’s the difference here? He’s a defenceman, a couple years younger, but the same principle applies. He’s not an elite talent, does a lot of things solid but nothing spectacular, and plays a game that isn’t physically taxing on the body. Couldn’t the same have been said about Brodie a few years ago? And look at him now. Replacement worthy. I fully acknowledge Hanifin is a different skill set and better one at that but 8 year deal for a non elite talent at a relatively high price tag? Hell no. Trade him. Or ask him to sign a four year.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Like Bingo said, for me its basically a win win now.

The main issues are dealt with and assets have been acquired. Tanev will likely get traded for something beneficial too.

Hanifin could be an important cog on this team for years - guys like him don't grow on trees. We would be lucky to trade Hanifin for an asset that turned out to be as good as he currently is. A lot has to go right for a guy to get to the stage he's at

Yeah the "this team won't do the right thing", or the lament every win because it makes the direction less clear issue has left the room.

The Flames moved their leading scorer, 5th dman and their best all around 200 foot player and center already.

The direction is set.

The current roster making it interesting now is just fun, and more like Nashville last year.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The same question came up last year about Lindholm where I’d say many thought they should give him that eight year deal. Now in hindsight I think most would recognize giving out those contracts to aging vets is a huge risk that is unlikely to work out, especially in the back half of the contract.

Now when reading the same about Hanifin, what’s the difference here? He’s a defenceman, a couple years younger, but the same principle applies. He’s not an elite talent, does a lot of things solid but nothing spectacular, and plays a game that isn’t physically taxing on the body. Couldn’t the same have been said about Brody a few years ago? And look at him now. Replacement worthy. I fully acknowledge Hanifin is a different skill set and better one at that but 8 year deal for a non elite talent at a relatively high price tag? Hell no. Trade him. Or ask him to sign a four year.

Speaking only for me ...

I never equated the two because of age.

I liked Lindholm, but there didn't seem to be room for a forward signed to age 37 on the roster with Huberdau and Kadri in the fold.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So only go with RFA age players and never extend them again? Lose them at 27 every time? LOL

Not sure why this is funny? This is the logical approach if you are not a prime UFA destination. Which the Flames are not.

What is your solution? Pay top tier UFA prices for second tier UFAs? Sounds like a recipe for losing hockey games.

The best time to cash out on an asset is when it has peaked in value. A peak means going forward the value proposition is downhill. Flames are likely at this point with Hanifin. He is a solid defenceman, no doubt, but likely is not going to get much better from this point forward. He is a huge asset to a playoff team in the middle of their competitive window. The Flames need to accept that they are no longer within this window and maximize the futures return for him.

And for the record, yes, the Flames should be doing this for pretty much every 27 year old pending UFA. They would be stupid not to.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I hate to break it to you, but on your 35th birthday you’re in the back half of your 30s.

Any draft pick we get in return will be 18. We will have a decade plus to build a team with them as part of it.

Do you think Vancouver is crying about Juolevi now since only Pettersson and Hughes worked out? Poor Colorado picking Jost when only Makar and Rantanen and MacKinnon worked out? Of course they all won’t work out. Get as many picks as you can to have a better chance.

Wow, so 35 plus one day is back end of the thirties? I would say an 8 year deal locks in a solid piece for his PRIME and beginning of the decline years only, which can work for both a rebuild or a quick turnaround.

Plus, as someone else noted above. Hanifin on an 8 year, $7.5 per year contract is extremely tradeable if the team is junk at any point

[looooob]

Do you think Vancouver is crying about Juolevi now since only Pettersson and Hughes worked out? Poor Colorado picking Jost when only Makar and Rantanen and MacKinnon worked out? Of course they all won’t work out. Get as many picks as you can to have a better chance.


sorry quote feature not working. I see both sides to the Hanifin one and for sure I don't need to be sold on the importance of amassing picks (this team should ensure they are in a pick surplus not deficit situation for the foreseeable future)


but I think those 5 stars you highlighted were 1,4,5,7,10 OV picks- unlikely to be anywhere near the neighbourhood of a Hanifin return (although I"m happy to be wrong there). Rantanen and maybe Hughes I suppose were taken late enough that you are in 'anything can happen territory'

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Speaking only for me ...

I never equated the two because of age.

I liked Lindholm, but there didn't seem to be room for a forward signed to age 37 on the roster with Huberdau and Kadri in the fold.

No no. I’m not pointing the finger at anyone in particular. I just don’t think it’s a prudent move to sign any long term contracts at the age unless you have elite talent. Under the age of about 25 with top line potential, sure. But that ship has sailed for Hanifin, and he is what he is and there’s a good chance that injuries and slow downs will happen in a few seasons. With Huberdeau and Kadri deals, to your point, there is no more room for the risk of another vet being around and not contributing when they’re in their 30s. That wiggle room for risk is gone.

[btimbit]

I'm happy either way, as much as that Lindholm trade has me excited for new things and futures, Lindholm was also completely mailing it in and holding his line back. Hanifin would be a nice piece to still have around going forward, and he isn't going to be getting worse for many many years still. But he'd also get a decent haul in a trade.

I'm not too concerned either way (of course to state the obvious, depending on $)

Tanev on the other hand, while I love him, I hope that gets done ASAP

[butterfly]

If you had Tij Iginla, would you trade him straight up for Hanifin at 8x$7.5?

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

NJ is the front runner for Tanev currently.

Oh would you look at that, we play NJ tomorrow! I wonder if there's a chance that Tanev gets held out in the game if they're still talking with Conroy.. Seems like an unnecessary risk to have him blocking shots against his (potential) next team. This road trip is off to an exciting start.

Come on Conroy, get the trade market for defensemen kick-started with that Tanev trade so we can extract maximum value for Hanifin. Would love to see a young Center come back in that trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Not sure why this is funny? This is the logical approach if you are not a prime UFA destination. Which the Flames are not.

What is your solution? Pay top tier UFA prices for second tier UFAs? Sounds like a recipe for losing hockey games.

The best time to cash out on an asset is when it has peaked in value. A peak means going forward the value proposition is downhill. Flames are likely at this point with Hanifin. He is a solid defenceman, no doubt, but likely is not going to get much better from this point forward. He is a huge asset to a playoff team in the middle of their competitive window. The Flames need to accept that they are no longer within this window and maximize the futures return for him.

And for the record, yes, the Flames should be doing this for pretty much every 27 year old pending UFA. They would be stupid not to.

It's funny because it's a recipe for never winning. You end up being a development team. And I've got news for you about top tier UFA prices.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I hate it when people call Hanifin young, because McDavid was born the same month, and I'm sick and tired of McDavid.

Rebuttal:

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If you had Tij Iginla, would you trade him straight up for Hanifin at 8x$7.5?

I wouldn’t. Would you?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If you had Tij Iginla, would you trade him straight up for Hanifin at 8x$7.5?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I wouldn’t. Would you?

What a false premise for a question anyway. One of those isn't costing you the other.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I wouldn’t. Would you?

No.