2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[NewFan]

May be Markstrom to Toronto for their 1st?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Wonder if Tre is trying to swing something for Markstrom and Tanev,

To TOR
Tanev (50%)
Markstrom ($2MM retained)

To CGY
Knies
Liljegren
Samsonov
2024 1st

Liljegren is awful. He is a soon to be 25 year old Oesterle. I suspect at 50% retained Tanev is worth at least the 1st, when you throw in Samsonov as a cap dump who is not worth anything to the Flames as he is a UFA they will not sign and if you assume it is a 2nd rounder to get out of that contract that is a pretty awful deal. You can take Markstrom out of that deal and add the Vancouver 4th or 3rd and you would have a deal

Knies
Samsonov
2024 1st

Tanev (50% retained)
Vancouver 4th/3rd

Liljegren could be included but he has almost no value, maybe a 3rd.

[DylanScores]

Knies
Robertson
1st

For Tanev and Mangiapane

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Liljegren is awful. He is a soon to be 25 year old Oesterle. I suspect at 50% retained Tanev is worth at least the 1st, when you throw in Samsonov as a cap dump who is not worth anything to the Flames as he is a UFA they will not sign and if you assume it is a 2nd rounder to get out of that contract that is a pretty awful deal. You can take Markstrom out of that deal and add the Vancouver 4th or 3rd and you would have a deal

Knies
Samsonov
2024 1st

Tanev (50% retained)
Vancouver 4th/3rd

Liljegren could be included but he has almost no value, maybe a 3rd.

Originally Posted by DylanScores

Knies
Robertson
1st

For Tanev and Mangiapane

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Sec214

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? haha

[getoverit]

Means someone is dreaming or drunk lol

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? haha

Ask Pickle Juice… He’s a master of solving puzzles.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Liljegren is awful. He is a soon to be 25 year old Oesterle. I suspect at 50% retained Tanev is worth at least the 1st, when you throw in Samsonov as a cap dump who is not worth anything to the Flames as he is a UFA they will not sign and if you assume it is a 2nd rounder to get out of that contract that is a pretty awful deal. You can take Markstrom out of that deal and add the Vancouver 4th or 3rd and you would have a deal

Knies
Samsonov
2024 1st

Tanev (50% retained)
Vancouver 4th/3rd

Liljegren could be included but he has almost no value, maybe a 3rd.

I really disagree with this. He's an analytics darling, and all models point to him being very good at actually defending. He was vanilla in the games I watched, but he wasn't making any glaring mistakes either.

I think a team could view Liljergren like Washington viewed Sandin last year. He was traded for a 2023 1st and a good roster player(Gustafsson).

I actually see Liljergren becoming a good defenseman similar to Hanifin, jack of all trades, master of none. I'm not saying he's Hanifin, but I could expect the level of play we saw from Hanifin when we got him from CAR.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sec214

It's a little early to be into the scotch.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I really disagree with this. He's an analytics darling, and all models point to him being very good at actually defending. He was vanilla in the games I watched, but he wasn't making any glaring mistakes either.

I think a team could view Liljergren like Washington viewed Sandin last year. He was traded for a 2023 1st and a good roster player(Gustafsson).

I actually see Liljergren becoming a good defenseman similar to Hanifin, jack of all trades, master of none. I'm not saying he's Hanifin, but I could expect the level of play we saw from Hanifin when we got him from CAR.

Well there's one giant flaw with this.

Noah is 3 years older @ 27 but has been in the league for 9 years.
Liljegren is 24 and has has bounced between ECHL/AHL and NHL for the last 7 years with very inconsistent play.

I think you're hoping for an absolute miracle that Liljegren turns into a Hanifin at this point. Just about every metric, eye test, stat and comparable at this point has him more likely to turn into a mediocre top 6 D in the NHL.

There's nothing I'd give up for a run at him at this point, I think he's peaked and is already struggling with injury issues @ 24.

[Heavy Jack]

Markstrom + Tanev 50 percent has to have some value to the right team. Those scoffing at a Samsonov + Liljegren + 24 1st + Knies package as a return are crazy, that’s nothing like the Phaneuf trade, we didn’t get a pick of any kind in that trade. Liljegren isn’t all that bad either, righty too and 10 years younger. He has a couple back to back 60+ GP seasons where he put up more than respectable counting stats and has seen his ice time climb from 16 mins ATOI to 19+ so far this year. He’s not a nobody and as a defence man it’s ok that he’s ‘quietly’ put up some solid seasons in his early 20s.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Well there's one giant flaw with this.

Noah is 3 years older @ 27 but has been in the league for 9 years.
Liljegren is 24 and has has bounced between ECHL/AHL and NHL for the last 7 years with very inconsistent play.

I think you're hoping for an absolute miracle that Liljegren turns into a Hanifin at this point. Just about every metric, eye test, stat and comparable at this point has him more likely to turn into a mediocre top 6 D in the NHL.

There's nothing I'd give up for a run at him at this point, I think he's peaked and is already struggling with injury issues @ 24.

I had an inkling that it would be the first thing people mention. You can't just point to age. I specifically pointed to Hanifin we got from CAR as the player we'd be getting back. That Hanifin had 3 full seasons(and still had a lot of rough spots in his game). This is Liljegren's 3rd full NHL season, he just made the show later than Hanifin, so he is on a similar trajectory.

Hanifin in his first 3 years in CAR:
239GP 18G, 83P, -53

Liljegren in his time in TOR(he had 2 cups of coffee, and then made the roster full time):
171GP 13G, 51P, +37

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Ask Pickle Juice… He’s a master of solving puzzles.

At first glance the candle delineates that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. If you watch closely she throws one finger in the air which leads me to believe the answers we seek will come within 1hr, 1 week or even 1 month. There is a few subtle hints with ABC in the right corner which also could indicate the starting letters of the players that could be involved “A,” for Andrew Mangiapane “B,” for Blake Coleman and “C,” for Chris Tanev. And lastly I don’t think it’s a coincidence she has red hair; I could see the potential trade partners having red on their jersey or blue like the pillows or green/purple like in the background.

Best I can come up with right now. But I think that should really narrow it down for everyone.

[Enoch Root]

I don't mind Liljegren as part of the package, but not as the centerpiece.

Knies is great, but the issue there is that LW is our strongest position, both on the roster and with respect to prospects. Center is weak on the roster and non-existent with prospects.

More D depth is good, we need that if we're moving Hanifin. But for the love of God, the main target HAS to be a C.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Got any other good info for us

[ResAlien]

I suspect whatever the next move it is will take most by surprise. Rasta said NJ was hot and heavy for Tanev right? Wonder what kind of package can work there

[dieHARDflameZ]

I think everyone should exercise caution when it comes to acquiring any assets from Toronto. It is a certainty that they are overhyped and more than likely won't live up to expectations.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? haha

It comes across to me as "that's a good one" or "that's funny". As in, these aren't actually trades being discussed or happening.

[tony-soprano]

Rather not make a deal w/Toronto.. but we could use them to drive up value.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

At first glance the candle delineates that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. If you watch closely she throws one finger in the air which leads me to believe the answers we seek will come within 1hr, 1 week or even 1 month. There is a few subtle hints with ABC in the right corner which also could indicate the starting letters of the players that could be involved “A,” for Andrew Mangiapane “B,” for Blake Coleman and “C,” for Chris Tanev. And lastly I don’t think it’s a coincidence she has red hair; I could see the potential trade partners having red on their jersey or blue like the pillows or green/purple like in the background.

Best I can come up with right now. But I think that should really narrow it down for everyone.

Now do Inland Empire by David Lynch!