[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

IMO it's only a 10/10 when you take into accounnt several details like Fox not wanting to play in CGY or CAR, Hamilton not fitting the Flames room, Ferland not re-signing with CAR, and Ferland's injuries derailing his career.

At the time of the trade we traded the best player by far in that trade in D. Hamilton. We added an upcoming UFA in Ferland that produced at a similar clip to Lindholm. The hope was that Hanifin would take another step and become the same caliber player Hamilton was, which didn't happen.

At the end of the day we traded 2 x 1D, and a 2RW for a 1C(1B is probably more accurate), and a 2D. Personally, I would like the Flames to be a part of more trades where they get the best player, and get more skilled as a result.

Finally, Tre signed Hanifin and Lindholm to good value contracts, but just like the Huberdeau extension isn't a part of the FLA trade, their extensions shouldn't affect the trade itself. So I'd rate the trade closer to a 7/10. Getting Hamilton from BOS was a 10/10.

Lol, you can’t say we traded 2 x 1D when one was just a prospect and hadn’t played a damn NHL game yet. You’re evaluating a trade on February 4th, 2024 rather than the day it happened.

When it happened we traded two players headed to UFA in their respective years and a top prospect not wanting to sign with us, while we acquired two players that were RFAs and signed 6 year deals. How did we lose that deal?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The risk is the opportunity cost of collecting better futures assets by not crystallizing a trade that likely position Calgary better for a future cup. IMO.

Sell high.

Maybe. But, it's not such a high priority situation that it will end up being a missed opportunity. The Flames will still need players to fill those positions that open up through trades. Maintaining even a small measure of stability in keeping a solid player like Hanifin is not a bad thing.

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[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Lol, you can’t say we traded 2 x 1D when one was just a prospect and hadn’t played a damn NHL game yet. You’re evaluating a trade on February 4th, 2024 rather than the day it happened.

When it happened we traded two players headed to UFA in their respective years and a top prospect not wanting to sign with us, while we acquired two players that were RFAs and signed 6 year deals. How did we lose that deal?

Okay then the day it happened if was a 2D, a 2RW, and a top prospect for 2RW/C and a 4D.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Shazam

W/o Hanifin and Tanev this team is going to be terrible the rest of the year.

And?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There is just nothing to support that silliness.

I'm good with not liking moves he made (especially if you were not onside when it went down), but the screwing the team over stuff is just complete nonsense.

I'm not saying he did it TO screw the Flames over, but it was a bad deal from the start to save some face and not have another guy walk away after he just traded for him. Short sighted.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

IMO it's only a 10/10 when you take into accounnt several details like Fox not wanting to play in CGY or CAR, Hamilton not fitting the Flames room, Ferland not re-signing with CAR, and Ferland's injuries derailing his career.

At the time of the trade we traded the best player by far in that trade in D. Hamilton. We added an upcoming UFA in Ferland that produced at a similar clip to Lindholm. The hope was that Hanifin would take another step and become the same caliber player Hamilton was, which didn't happen.

At the end of the day we traded 2 x 1D, and a 2RW for a 1C(1B is probably more accurate), and a 2D. Personally, I would like the Flames to be a part of more trades where they get the best player, and get more skilled as a result.

Finally, Tre signed Hanifin and Lindholm to good value contracts, but just like the Huberdeau extension isn't a part of the FLA trade, their extensions shouldn't affect the trade itself. So I'd rate the trade closer to a 7/10. Getting Hamilton from BOS was a 10/10.

Just a bad take.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He signed Huberdeau long term because Huberdeau was coming off a huge season and had been very consistently a PPG guy. Like I said before, Treliving always had a rational basis, whether the decision turned out to be correct or not.

Just because you hated the Huberdeau signing doesn't mean it wasn't seen by a lot of people as a normal move. In fact, after the trade, a lot of people here were saying "it's ONLY a good trade if Huberdeau signs long term".

Also, Weegar.

Yeah, and quite a few people were of the belief that it was a good trade but to sign Huberdeau long term was going to be a mistake. I think most in that boat thought it would be 4 or so good years and not 0. But a few did think the best thing to do would be to flip Huberdeau rather than sign and aging guy to a long term deal. Weager was seen as worthwhile given the age and position, and that turned out to be alright. Again though, Huberdeau's demise couldn't be predicted by a single person in how spectacularly he did fall, but to say it wasn't predictable over the course of the long term would not be correct (not you, but in general). Treliving felt the need to save face and could not have his star trade, walk.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Okay then the day it happened if was a 2D, a 2RW, and a top prospect for 2RW/C and a 4D.

And you conveniently left out the UFA/RFA trade off but you do you.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

And?

I'm team tank, but I'm sure there's some people that hold out hope.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I'm team tank, but I'm sure there's some people that hold out hope.

It’s not tanking or not. That’s where the team is going.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s not tanking or not. That’s where the team is going.

Come on man we're a couple of UFA signings away from playoffs, where anything could happen!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s not tanking or not. That’s where the team is going.

Not with their current goaltender, this team won't lose anywhere near enough to be "team tank"

They are likely in the wildcard contention right till the end of the season

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not with their current goaltender, this team won't lose anywhere near enough to be "team tank"

They are likely in the wildcard contention right till the end of the season

That's why I just want the Flames to get more draft picks and younger players.

There isn't a lot of disparity from 5 to 15 in this draft anyways. Not worth fussing over the lack of deliberate tanking.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not with their current goaltender, this team won't lose anywhere near enough to be "team tank"

They are likely in the wildcard contention right till the end of the season

They are not really in contention now and they have to sell….they are heading to the bottom regardless

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And you conveniently left out the UFA/RFA trade off but you do you.

My initial point was that the Flames gave up a lot in that trade too. So for me, it wasn't as much of a home run as some make it out to be. Especially when we look at all the players involved. I think it's a solid B+ trade, that benefited both teams. It wasn't a fleecing, or even a one-sided trade, IMO.

That's why I gave getting Hamilton from BOS as an example, because that was a very one-sided trade in favor of the Flames.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

25 million to spend on what? Overpriced old vets who don't want to come here?

We've been down that road before.

Yes.

Take on bad contracts in exchange for assets.

Like...oh....say....the Montreal Canadians and Monahan?

That seemed to work out rather well for them wouldnt you say?

Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

No he didn’t wake up and say I am going to do as bad as I can to screw them over

But his incompetence pretty much screwed them over at the end

Same differences

Or two players just chose to play elsewhere ... one in a shock move, and one in a straight up informing the team move.

I wish he would have pivoted and sent Huberdeau and Weegar out for futures, believe me, but I don't see a lot incompetence.

Most of the hockey world had the Flames as contenders last year. Most of this site the same.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I'm not saying he did it TO screw the Flames over, but it was a bad deal from the start to save some face and not have another guy walk away after he just traded for him. Short sighted.

Yes you did.

at the end he screwed the team over just to save face

In hindsight for sure it was the wrong way to go.

I cringed on Kadri's term length the second it was signed.

But there was a strong down the middle, replace what you lost and take advantage of the strong goaltender and elite D core to continue what you did the previous season thought process to it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s not tanking or not. That’s where the team is going.

Yeah. I dont get the ideas to the contrary.

"If we get rid of these players we're going to suck!"

We have these players. And we suck. What do we have to lose?

Get rid of 'em, get assets and try again.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah. I dont get the ideas to the contrary.

"If we get rid of these players we're going to suck!"

We have these players. And we suck. What do we have to lose?

Get rid of 'em, get assets and try again.

More than that, Lindholm, Zadorov, and Hanifin have one foot out the door. Less so Tanev.

the TDL is a huge distraction, there after the team can look forward.