2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Conroy "cooks"...?

To FLA: Noah Hanifin (50% retained this year, FLA signs 8 year extension)
To CGY: Anton Lundell, Conditional 2025 3rd (becomes 2026 2nd if they win the Stanley Cup in 2024), 2025 4th

If the rumours are true of Florida's interest in Hanifin, and Calgary's interest in Lundell this seems like a pretty fair value - particularly for a team with Stanley Cup aspirations right now.

To DAL: Christopher Tanev (50% retained)
To CGY: 2024 1st, 2025 5th

Dallas is the one that steps up and pays the (Ben Chiarot) price.

If there is in fact an appetite to trade Necas, the "surprise" trade:

To CAR: Andrew Mangiapane, Jacob Markstrom (50% retained)
To CGY: Martin Necas, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd

1st round = the ~$6M retained on Markstrom.
Martin Necas >> Andrew Mangiapane
Markstrom >> 2nd

Carolina fixes their goaltending at the price point they generally seem to target, Calgary gets a player they've discussed in trades before, Mangiapane and Necas both get a change of scenery, and Markstrom goes to a "contender" that his best bud can tell him all about (...and then his best bud can sign back there this summer)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Serivali keeps saying Tanev is only worth a 2nd or a conditional 2nd that can change into a 1st if a team goes deep. I feel like if that is what the Flames wanted they could have made that deal weeks ago.

He can think what he wants, but that doesn't make him right. The playoffs are wide open this year, we are getting near the end of the Covid-cap crunch, prices are rising, and Monahan just got a 1st and conditional 3rd. Tanev is worth more than Monahan to most teams, I would think. He'll get more than a 2nd.

As for Cowan, I would think the Leafs value him more than their 1st (1st in 2023 is better than most 1sts). If they want to give us Cowan instead of a 1st for Tanev, fine by me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think Tanev could have the most immediate impact of any deadline acquisition on a teams cup aspirations

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I appreciate what Sec brings to the table.

Agreed. This is a trade rumor thread and luckily for me, there are people who post here who have connections to the team. Not sure why anyone would complain about that if they are interested enough to read the thread in the first place.

[The Fonz]

I appreciate anyone willing to share connected info!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Tanev could have the most immediate impact of any deadline acquisition on a teams cup aspirations

Agreed.

One more comment on price, and Seravelli thinking Tanev is worth a 2nd... there are at least 10 teams interested in Tanev. Price isn't determined by some sort of average valuation process, it is determined by who is willing to pay the most. Only one GM needs to think he is worth at least a 1st, not all of them. I think, in this market, Conroy is going to get a good return for him.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Conroy "cooks"...?

To FLA: Noah Hanifin (50% retained this year, FLA signs 8 year extension)
To CGY: Anton Lundell, Conditional 2025 3rd (becomes 2026 2nd if they win the Stanley Cup in 2024), 2025 4th

If the rumours are true of Florida's interest in Hanifin, and Calgary's interest in Lundell this seems like a pretty fair value - particularly for a team with Stanley Cup aspirations right now.

To DAL: Christopher Tanev (50% retained)
To CGY: 2024 1st, 2025 5th

Dallas is the one that steps up and pays the (Ben Chiarot) price.

If there is in fact an appetite to trade Necas, the "surprise" trade:

To CAR: Andrew Mangiapane, Jacob Markstrom (50% retained)
To CGY: Martin Necas, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd

1st round = the ~$6M retained on Markstrom.
Martin Necas >> Andrew Mangiapane
Markstrom >> 2nd

Carolina fixes their goaltending at the price point they generally seem to target, Calgary gets a player they've discussed in trades before, Mangiapane and Necas both get a change of scenery, and Markstrom goes to a "contender" that his best bud can tell him all about (...and then his best bud can sign back there this summer)

I'm good with all the trades posted except that first one. As pointed out Lundell has fallen so far back this year that he has bad value. To hand them a defenseman (albeit an expiring contract) is just adding fuel to the Tkachuk deal. I'd rather get a 1st+ back from Florida than Lundell at this point. When someone falls off that hard, you have to wonder.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Tanev could have the most immediate impact of any deadline acquisition on a teams cup aspirations

100%, and he is one of the few players that wouldn’t skip a beat on any team. He knows his role and excels at it.

The rumor of “2nd and another asset” is to only get in the conversation. A 1st gets you him, and I fully expect one of the contending teams to pony up if they so desire him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Tanev could have the most immediate impact of any deadline acquisition on a teams cup aspirations

He will immediately solidify a pairing. His addition could make the difference if he gets to a team that can make a long playoff run. I think he could return better than we originally expected.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Beautifully Written. The gif guy is the worst. It doesn’t even make sense when he does post a gif. The first thing he has to do every day is post the information from his source on Calgarypuck or he’s full of ####. His insiders must text him days before these things happen and he keeps the information from us what a piece of ####. I think we should ban him.

Exactly! This is why Bingo pays the insiders to post here. So we can all get high value from our subscriptions.

I don’t want to be reading the trade details later in the Athletic. I want them in advance, play by play, here. That’s why I pay for a premium subscription and why Bingo is shelling out huge dollars to insiders.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

100%, and he is one of the few players that wouldn’t skip a beat on any team. He knows his role and excels at it.

The rumor of “2nd and another asset” is to only get in the conversation. A 1st gets you him, and I fully expect one of the contending teams to pony up if they so desire him.

Agreed. I think there are plenty of teams offering a 2nd + 3rd round pick for tanev right now. And that may be what he goes for in the end. But Conroy is choosing to wait for some team to step up and make it a first round pick. First team to do that gets him.

It’s possible the tanev deal gets done closer to the deadline because, at that point, a team will have the best possible handle on how high in the draft that first round pick will be. Dallas is a great example. Right now, the best their first round pick could be (if they finished the season in the spot they are at) is 25th overall. Big difference if they went on a tough run over the next month and that pick could be as high as 19th overall.

I could see the deal becoming a conditional 2nd/1st round pick… with the conditions being weaker than the Lindholm trade for the 4th becoming a 3rd. I could see if being a 2nd that becomes a 1st if the acquiring team makes it to the 2nd round and Tanev plays at least 4 games in the first round.

[Flamesfan05]

Tanev is pretty valuable for a playoff run

Conroy should get a pretty good return. 1st pick or equivalent unless he wants someone back for a playoff push

Only risk is he gets injured. I would bench him till they get a deal

[Royle9]

Given the historic prices guys like Chiarot have commanded, I see no reason that Tanev doesn’t go for a 1st.

Now add in the perceived bidding war for him currently (10+ teams) and the fact that he’s easily the best stay at home defensive defenseman available, just about any contending team would die to have a warrior like Chris on their team for a playoff push.

Just comes down to who’s going to pony up the best offer, cards are in Craig’s hand and I think he’s right to hold on as long as needed.

Most insiders are were very clear in both Lindholm and Tanev setting the market, so CGY holds the power here. Add in Markstrom possibly moving and now the Flames hold both the defensive defenceman and goalie market with the top players available.

Great position to be in, and with Craigs Lindholm deal I now have full faith he’s aware and confident in keeping his price. Frank saying the market being a 2nd for Tanev seems so off given it was already reported/confirmed that CGY didn’t include Tanev in the VAN deal as they know they can get a 1st on his own.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Beautifully Written. The gif guy is the worst. It doesn’t even make sense when he does post a gif. The first thing he has to do every day is post the information from his source on Calgarypuck or he’s full of ####. His insiders must text him days before these things happen and he keeps the information from us what a piece of ####. I think we should ban him.

Really enjoy the gifs

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Tanev is pretty valuable for a playoff run

Conroy should get a pretty good return. 1st pick or equivalent unless he wants someone back for a playoff push

Only risk is he gets injured. I would bench him till they get a deal

Agreed. Given Tanev’s history, I would absolutely sit him out. You’re literally risking a 1st for no reason by playing him. Calgarys not making the playoffs. I know Conroy can’t say that publicly and has to pretend we are but let’s get real here. The best thing for the Flames is to sit Tanev so he doesn’t injure himself and destroy trade value which appears to be high.

Also, he is worth a 1st 100%. Nothing less in this market.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Agreed. I think there are plenty of teams offering a 2nd + 3rd round pick for tanev right now. And that may be what he goes for in the end. But Conroy is choosing to wait for some team to step up and make it a first round pick. First team to do that gets him.

It’s possible the tanev deal gets done closer to the deadline because, at that point, a team will have the best possible handle on how high in the draft that first round pick will be. Dallas is a great example. Right now, the best their first round pick could be (if they finished the season in the spot they are at) is 25th overall. Big difference if they went on a tough run over the next month and that pick could be as high as 19th overall.

I could see the deal becoming a conditional 2nd/1st round pick… with the conditions being weaker than the Lindholm trade for the 4th becoming a 3rd. I could see if being a 2nd that becomes a 1st if the acquiring team makes it to the 2nd round and Tanev plays at least 4 games in the first round.

It depends on how the playoffs go. Not sure why anyone would do a Tanev trade if they don't have designs on going to the Conference Finals, in which case the pick is 29-32 regardless of the regular season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I'm good with all the trades posted except that first one. As pointed out Lundell has fallen so far back this year that he has bad value. To hand them a defenseman (albeit an expiring contract) is just adding fuel to the Tkachuk deal. I'd rather get a 1st+ back from Florida than Lundell at this point. When someone falls off that hard, you have to wonder.

They are fresh out of firsts

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Tanev could have the most immediate impact of any deadline acquisition on a teams cup aspirations

His value to this teams defence every single game he plays is immediately apparent to even average fans when he’s out of the lineup. He could very well be a quiet difference maker for a squad that’s already mostly there.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Agreed. I think there are plenty of teams offering a 2nd + 3rd round pick for tanev right now. And that may be what he goes for in the end. But Conroy is choosing to wait for some team to step up and make it a first round pick. First team to do that gets him.

Conroy will offer Tanev at 50% retained to get as many teams as possible into the bidding. When he gets the first offer or a 1st, that’s where the bidding will truly begin. Then he’ll circle back to the other teams that have shown an interest and tell them, “X has offered us their 1st, can you do better?”

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They are fresh out of firsts

How far in the future are you allowed to trade picks?

They have their 2027 one. Winnipeg just traded a 2027 pick for Monahan.