[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I for one was wrong.

I thought he was a secondary player boosted by Gaudreau.

Yeah I was very wrong about him as well.

He is a superstar on and off the ice.

Our luck sucks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I think it's more Gaudreau leaving. I think there's a chance Tkachuk stays if they were able to keep the band together.

Hard to say but I have felt strongly that he would have left even if Johnny stayed.

He is a strong personality and so is Sutter. It was never going to work with them together. You could sense it during the season he never ever talked about Darryl and they took some shots at each once he left.

I am not sure if being the captain was that important to him, but I do think he wanted to be the face of the franchise and that doesn’t really jive with how Darryl runs his teams. Probably not the only reason he decided to leave as his comments about being in a Canadian market wasn’t always fun.

[Iginla]

I didn't realize we still had enough centers, for now. With Zary and Pospisil both expressing that they want to play C. .

Kadri
Backlund
Sharangovich
Pospisil
Zary

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Iginla

I didn't realize we still had enough centers, for now. With Zary and Pospisil both expressing that they want to play C. .

Kadri
Backlund
Sharangovich
Pospisil
Zary

I hope they run with Zary he has the most potential going forward.

Smart player who does a lot of things right.

[Redrum]

The only issue I have with Sharang would be why mess with him at wing, but as long as nobody is being crowbarred into it...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rikster

You can tie yourself up in a knot all you want in an effort to believe that HB will turn into another Cale Makar as Blaster suggested, my point was to temper expectations and be realistic.

Yes the majority of his assists are secondary, and yes he is playing on a very offensive team and is currently 1 point ahead of 2 of his teamates in the scoring race and yes he has only scored 8 goals.

Having watched him play, I agree with the assesments that he does everything well but not elite and his biggest hurdle might be handling the pace of the pro game.

I think he will have an easier path to the NHL in Calgary than Vancouver where he had other prospects ahead of him.

As I've said repeatidly, I am a fan of HB, think he has a chance of making the NHL, and hope that the Flames are patient with him and his development and don't rush him because they lack this type of player in their system.

Time will tell, but count me in as one who thinks you are dreaming if you think HB will turn inot another Cale Makar.

Who the #### thinks that? Why do people make asinine statements like this?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No major argument from me ... he wasn't playing all that well ... but then nobody really has defensively this year.

But it's pretty hard to rationalize taking Lindholm out of the 1C spot and replacing him with a winger that is known to be somewhat suspect defensively, and losing one of your two key PK forwards doesn't downgrade your hockey team.

I think it would be fun to look at it all towards the end of the season. See which player adjusted better to the new team.

Moreover, I think that the fact that I can even attempt to compare the two players' production is a good sign. Especially when we consider the other assets involved.

I fully expect the Flames to be a tire-fire defensively. Especially after they trade Tanev. That said, it's also a great opportunity to try less experienced guys at center.

So yeah, the OP was more me trying to be positive than taking shots at Lindholm.

[Iginla]

double post

[Iginla]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Who the #### thinks that? Why do people make asinine statements like this?

Some people were calling him the "Adam Fox" of the OHL. All it does is puts needless pressure on players, for clicks. *cough Scorp cough*

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Some people were calling him the "Adam Fox" of the OHL. All it does is puts needless pressure on players, for clicks. *cough Scorp cough*

And I don't think that's unreasonable - he's killing it this year.

IN THE OHL.

Only a fool reads that and thinks "he's going to be as good as Fox in the NHL!"

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Some people were calling him the "Adam Fox" of the OHL. All it does is puts needless pressure on players, for clicks. *cough Scorp cough*

"Of the OHL". That might be kinda the key thing. This reminds me of when they make style comparisons at the draft and somebody doesn't get it and thinks there are projecting that player's career.

[Iginla]

I think most of us here read it as "Of the OHL" and know better. But most of us are a little more diehard that the average fan.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I really don't see a lot of Flames fans jumping to Makar or Hughes level with the prospect. Do you?

I think most are pretty happy they got a top three prospect from the Canucks in a very good Calgary deal and are pleasantly surprised with the return.

And above someone has HB 2ndary assists at 41%, my math brain can't have you calling that a majority.

Actually, the posted numbers were 41% primary (see below). Regardless, Rikster's point is simply a vain attempt to downplay Brzustewicz's season. ALL defensemen tend to garner a lot of secondary assists, it is a natural part of being on the back end. I compared him to Hughes to make the point, as Hughes is having an incredible year, and is driving the play for VAN and yet has an identical rate of secondary assists, but he of course ignored the facts

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I'll do it for him.

41% of Brzustewicz assists are primary.
44% of Hughes assists are primary.

[browna]

Tkachuk was gone regardless of JG staying. His intentions were clear on his long term assumption to stay, when he signed the previous contract, to put the power with him and force the Flames in the situation they were in.

Also, pretty sure Treliving and the Flames knew exactly what Tkachuk was doing (because he told them) and the Flames started to sniff around for trades, long before the Gaudreau situation played out.

And, am sure the Flames and Tkachuk agreed for Tkachuk's request to become pubic after the JG thing and when Treliving had some traction on a trade. For fans the timing makes it seem like a double punch and one situation happened because of the other, but given the way the Flames acted after the Tkachuk news was a lot different, it was clear that it was well known that Tkachuk was gone.

I don't think anything would've kept him here. Shame he didn't break his hand in that needless second fight vs Dallas in game 3 or 4, and would've been 100% for the Oilers. Or that he wasn't hurt vs Dallas in the COVID season.

As for Hunter who cares if it's CHL. He's got potential and has proven he can get points, and appears on a good trajectory if brought along properly when he turns pro, and if he continues to put in the work. Thats all you can ask for any decent prospect still playing in junior, as it's always a crap shoot any some regard, outside of the generational ones, how it all goes when they get into the NHL.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The only issue I have with Sharang would be why mess with him at wing, but as long as nobody is being crowbarred into it...

I think because Kuzmenko is a similar player but probably not as strong defensively

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not sure what issue is anyways. We got a prospect who is lighting up the league as a defenceman.

You want to have as many cracks as you can to get high producing defence.

You need puck movement. You need scoring from the back end. The more of those types of guys we have the better chance someone is going to pop. Our 2 best seasons in franchise history came with a high scoring defence. 1 guy won a Norris. It’s how you win in this league.

People want a rebuild but complain about the prospects. It’s not an easy process takes time.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That completely ignores the defensive side of the puck and the PK.

I think we have a lot of good penalty killers

Backlund
Texas Tiger
Sharangovich

I probably agree on the defensive part. We’ll see how it goes. You can’t have everything I guess.

Our Achilles is lack of scoring and a horrible powerplay. We traded something we had in surplus to help in those areas.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I think it's more Gaudreau leaving. I think there's a chance Tkachuk stays if they were able to keep the band together.

Steinberg was talking about the Tkachuk situation a couple of weeks ago and implied that he was leaving no matter what and the longest he would have signed with the Flames had he agreed to a long term deal and not a bridge would have been 6 years. Once the bridge was signed he knew his ticket out of town was 3-4 years max. While Tkachuk was happy to play here and appreciated it all I am sure but his plan was to always spend his prime in another market in my opinion.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I hope they run with Zary he has the most potential going forward.

Smart player who does a lot of things right.

Zary will need to really impress. Sounds like Conroy views him as a winger.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by browna

And, am sure the Flames and Tkachuk agreed for Tkachuk's request to become pubic

I agree Tkachuk was being a dick, but that's a rather odd way to put it.