[Trade] Habs trade Monahan to the Jets for a 2024 1st and cond 2027 3rd

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Jets took a player who can turn into a pile of dust or back into a pumpkin at any moment and gave up a 1st round pick for the pleasure. It's wild. There were more reliable options that could provide the same amount for a lot less.

I know you're homerifically trying to justify the Lindholm trade, but Elias can have a season-ending injury in the all-star game and leave as a UFA at the end of the season never even playing a game for the Canucks. Also depends which Lindholm shows up for the Canucks.

I liked both Lindholm and Monahan as players, so I wish nothing but the best for each of them. You've been pretty vocal about Monahan the player today, maybe it's you that undervalues him?

[White Out 403]

Im not the biggest fan of this move because I hate giving up 1ts round picks, but, describing this as a "panic move" is brain dead commentary

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

They 100% royally screwed up, not taking that prime opportunity to rebuild. You're two superstars decide to leave and the following draft is supposed to be one of the best in decades. If there was ever a time...

How many teams go directly into a rebuild after winning their division? I can't think of one.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

for the 100th time I said he has had a better season THIS YEAR SO FAR

I know Lindholm has been all these wonderful things in the past...this year he has straight up sucked. Like am I the only one with eyes here? Lindholm hasn't been some amazing two way player this season at all. Look at the fancy stats. Lindholm has played in all situations...poorly lol

Vancouver is betting he gets back to his old self with a change of scenery, lets see.

I'm sure if Monahan outscores Lindholm and the Jets go further I will still be wrong though just like Zadorov who has hurt the Flames so bad their record improved since he left and the Canucks wanted to dump him already lol.

This is a deal for a few months, I wouldn't be shocked if Monahan helps the Jets more than Lindholm helps the Canucks. It could go either way.

Can't believe you brought the Zadorov thing up again ... just shaking my head.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't believe you brought the Zadorov thing up again ... just shaking my head.

He requested a trade off the Flames! You can't piss dino off more than that!

Z you are disowned!

[Fourteen FTW]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Edmonton is going to run out of options and end up signing Kessel.

Coach Chippy would approve.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He requested a trade off the Flames! You can't piss dino off more than that!

Sure you can. You can request a trade by your agent making a public statement in Toronto while you're in town playing the Leafs on national TV.

Oh, wait…

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Well, we can't go back in time to correct anything and the 20-20 hindsight all points to those events from Tre making bad decisions that pretty much led to one another and then other bad decisions arising that were already bad. If you lose 2 of your top stars (one for nothing) and the makeup of the team tells you that the team is not a cup contender anymore and the upcoming draft the following year was a generational draft year, one would hope that this would be a huge opportunity consideration to actually build for the future and not just for the present. Nope, Tre still pursued trades to go for the playoff run. He had all the chances during mid-season to sell and tank. In the end, we come to the same point as we did 2 years ago. From the time that Tre took over, the Flames rebuild process pretty much stopped. It was like Sutter fitting in pieces that may fit and hope to make the playoffs every year just to get bounced in the first round, that's it. This is something that I hope Conroy has learned, never lowball your superstar franchise players and don't go out looking for a superstar goalie to mask the deficiencies of the team.

Yup what Treliving did good was squeezed his own players and people actually applauded him for it. Then he went out and wasted all the money on UFAs and bad signings. At the end he accomplished very little and left Conroy a huge mess to clean up.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Im not the biggest fan of this move because I hate giving up 1ts round picks, but, describing this as a "panic move" is brain dead commentary

I don't know. Most were expecting a 2nd and combo of picks to go for Monahan.

A 1st+3rd a day after Lindholm is dealt looks a bit like panic to me. If it weren't the Jets making the deal, wouldn't that look panicky to you from afar?

They didn't want to wait out MTL to see if the price could fall. They upped their offer as soon as Elias went to make sure they didn't go home without a C.

It's a bit rich for Monahan. (But don't ask us since we dealt a 1st WITH him)

[Bingo]

He's going to get hung by his own logic soon though.

By saying the Flames had a better record without Zadorov than they did with him ignoring all other factors (slow start, Markstrom going Vezina mode) he's cooked his goose when the Flames move out all their UFAs and start losing every game.

"nope ... record is worse since Zadorov left"
"but they've moved 4 of their best players"
"record is worse since Zadorov left"

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

A 1st+3rd a day after Lindholm is dealt looks a bit like panic to me. If it weren't the Jets making the deal, wouldn't that look panicky to you from afar?

A 1st seems perfectly reasonable. Forget about the 3rd; it only transfers if the Jets win the Cup.

The Jets wanted to make the deal right now because Scheifele is injured right now. This isn't about performing in the playoffs as much as keeping the team rolling until then. They're using Monahan as a spare tire.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Jets wanted to make the deal right now because Scheifele is injured right now. .

The Jets wanted to make a deal now because their first choice just got taken off the board close to a month earlier than they probably anticipated. There is no chance the Jets are making this trade today at this cost in Lindholm is still there.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The Jets wanted to make a deal now because their first choice just got taken off the board close to a month earlier than they probably anticipated. There is no chance the Jets are making this trade today at this cost in Lindholm is still there.

Of course they would rather have had Lindholm. But they needed a centre immediately, one way or the other. Waiting until the deadline was not an option.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

A 1st seems perfectly reasonable. Forget about the 3rd; it only transfers if the Jets win the Cup.

The Jets wanted to make the deal right now because Scheifele is injured right now. This isn't about performing in the playoffs as much as keeping the team rolling until then. They're using Monahan as a spare tire.

This seems like a senseless reason to deal a 1st.

I should hope it was for playoffs in reality.

You think Vegas cared about sustaining their record? Their only concern is getting in and being healthy when playoffs start. Regular season success is secondary (don't tell the oilers though, they're winning Stanley cups every night)

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Of course they would rather have had Lindholm. But they needed a centre immediately, one way or the other. Waiting until the deadline was not an option.

I think they'd have been better served still waiting or paying a lesser price for Adam Henrique.

[ReinhartonD]

Originally Posted by Joborule

That's why I'm confident Leafs ain't gonna be winning a cup for quite a while still.

Toronto is gonna eat him alive once they figure out what he's about. Good riddance. Should've had stayed here as long as he did, and Flames got saved by him not wanting to stick around. Hopefully Conroy has learned what NOT to do from Treliving.

Yep. His goalie bets, Samsonov's suddenly appearing competent for a couple of games notwithstanding, and his choosing a 37 year old Ryan Reaves with terrible knees for three years over Sam Lafferty who's 10 years younger and has 10 goals and 20 points compared to two goals for Reaves who's unplayable. (plus Reaves makes 200 grand more).

Then there's the 4+ million for Klingberg who every other GM knew was washed. Toronto is already becoming quite aware of what Brad is about. Of course, maybe this is all part of the Shanaplan...

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Of course they would rather have had Lindholm. But they needed a centre immediately, one way or the other. Waiting until the deadline was not an option.

Scheilfe has been practicing. He is set to come back after the break

They are comfortable in a playoff spot

They overpaid for something they probably don’t need

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He requested a trade off the Flames! You can't piss dino off more than that!

Z you are disowned!

No, I said his loss wouldn't effect the Flames much when he left and was roasted as usual. They were one game under .500 when he left, go check their record.

People are beside themselves about it, well a couple.

Both these guys are ex Flames and neither is on a team I like. I don't think it's outlandish to say Monahan has had a better season so far. Wouldn't be shocked if this thread ages poorly for some posters although they will never admit it.

Monahan is likely more boom/bust but he could easily turn out to be the better acquisition... especially with the cost.

[nik-]

*sad R2D2 noises*

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Scheilfe has been practicing. He is set to come back after the break

OK, it was my understanding that he was out for longer.