Flames' Pride Night slotted for March 28 vs. LA

[Yamer]

Yeah, I think after last night I'm going to try and take a bit of a break from this community as that exchange really drained me. I'm getting pretty exhausted with the "keep politics out of sport" crowd when it's clear that the "politics" they want to shout down is simply topics or ideas they're too uncomfortable or unequipped to discuss.

I'm used to it from the typical crowd here, but reading KFF join in was a bit disappointing. Seemed really out of character for a person that typically fosters discussion and encourages diverse viewpoints. As someone I consider a community leader that was really discouraging. I also spiraled a bit in my responses, so I'll take my share of the blame.

The entire topic of LGBTQ+ rights on the board continues to be an unsightly sore on CP. The subsequent threads and responses makes me believe taking some time away might be good for me.

I'll see you all in a minute. Be well.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

You asked if you can continue to pretend that sports & politics are completely separate. I answered you.

I’ll stay in denial and just watch the games then. Maybe with the sound off.

Call me naive but I think it can be done.

[Engine09]

More dishonest nonsense from the same type of people, pretending they have nothing against anyone. "Just keep it out of sports". Not even brave enough to say how they actually feel.

[KelVarnsen]

Maybe the Flames should just shut up and dribble then

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Engine09

Whaaa! People are giving me a tough time for hating gay people!!!!!

The only reason to oppose welcoming all people to enjoy hockey is some weird personal hangup or superstitious, backwards, religious horse#### that you only believe because you were indoctrinated.

Just admit you hate this particular group of people, enough of the excuses.

Most people that disagrees with a minority on various issues don't hate that minority. Some people here just enjoy giving the majority a guilt trip, all for righteous reasons I'm sure.

People here have already attempted to question if I really believe in equality, despite me specifically stating that and them having no proof otherwise. I'm sure guys like pepsi have already called me a bigot too, luckily he's on my ignore list, so I don't really see those comments. All that despite me stating the exact reasons for the lack of my support.

If Kuzmenko actively abused someone for being a member of the LGBT community, then sure take out the pitchforks. Otherwise, he has the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Your opinion on how things should be done doesn't supersede that. People can disagree, and don't have to support certain aspects of your community, or culture.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Yeah, I think after last night I'm going to try and take a bit of a break from this community as that exchange really drained me. I'm getting pretty exhausted with the "keep politics out of sport" crowd when it's clear that the "politics" they want to shout down is simply topics or ideas they're too uncomfortable or unequipped to discuss.

I'm used to it from the typical crowd here, but reading KFF join in was a bit disappointing. Seemed really out of character for a person that typically fosters discussion and encourages diverse viewpoints. As someone I consider a community leader that was really discouraging. I also spiraled a bit in my responses, so I'll take my share of the blame.

The entire topic of LGBTQ+ rights on the board continues to be an unsightly sore on CP. The subsequent threads and responses makes me believe taking some time away might be good for me.

I'll see you all in a minute. Be well.

Wishing you well!

I once donated $200 to CP and wish I could claw that back since my existence is “bringing politics into sports”

It’s usually the right wing politicians bringing politics into non political issues. But sure, the gays are the problem.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Engine09

More dishonest nonsense from the same type of people, pretending they have nothing against anyone. "Just keep it out of sports". Not even brave enough to say how they actually feel.

I’ll say how I feel.

All people should be treated with respect. Awards should be merit based. I could care less about what you want to do with your life as long as you’re not breaking the law or hurting others.

I go to and watch hockey games because I want to watch a hockey game. Not get political statements shoved in my face. I get that everywhere else these days.

Let me watch the hockey in peace.

Thanks in advance.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Yamer

1. No, generally, across the board. However, it does say something when someone chooses not to support something, which is the case here.

2. No, true acceptance absolutely does not have to happen organically. Either way, that has nothing to do with absolute acceptance. We are evaluating an individual's actions regarding a social/civil movement.

3. Religion isn't an applicable comparison.

Why? Seems like a good one.

If it’s not. What would be.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I'm used to it from the typical crowd here, but reading KFF join in was a bit disappointing. Seemed really out of character for a person that typically fosters discussion and encourages diverse viewpoints. As someone I consider a community leader that was really discouraging. I also spiraled a bit in my responses, so I'll take my share of the blame.

Okay, I guess I better step in here. This comment really took me by surprise.

I wasn't trying to shut down opposing viewpoints. I don't care if people have different opinions than I do. Such is life. But as I was reading the thread about a trade it seemed like the discussion was skewing more and more towards Kuzmenko's LGBTQ stance and less and less about the trade, which was the whole point of the thread. It would get on track and then another post about Kuzmenko's stance. Rinse and repeat. I get it, he's part of the trade. But I know I wasn't the only one getting a bit annoyed when we kept stopping talking about the trade and talking more and more about his stance. Like......we get it. It's a great hockey trade, let's talk about it for a few minutes.

I didn't give any infractions. Didn't ban anyone. Didn't close the thread. There's the OT forum, there's this thread, there's multiple places to have that discussion here. Which is fine with me. In fact, it's great. But politics is involved now in so much we read about sports that we can't even just have a fun hockey trade without having to talk about something negative or controversial yet again. It's draining.

It's a Calgary Flames hockey board. Sometimes people here just want to talk about hockey. Especially when a big trade happens. That's all. Hope you get why I was getting annoyed.

[Tuco]

Does the new guy sit this one out?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Engine09

More dishonest nonsense from the same type of people, pretending they have nothing against anyone. "Just keep it out of sports". Not even brave enough to say how they actually feel.

It's what people in social psychology call modern 'implicit' prejudice: A form of prejudice that surfaces in more subtle ways when it is deemed safe, socially acceptable and easy to rationalize, presented under a cloud/guise of ambiguity (literally out of a textbook).

Aka statements like: I just don't want it around sports ..but I have nothing against it.

Often justified with statements like "It's okay, some of my closest friends are x race/orientation".

If it's not an issue and anybody can present/associate themselves how they like, as these posters claim, then why can't it have a place in sports?

Sports include people of all backgrounds and orientations.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Okay, I guess I better step in here. This comment really took me by surprise.

I wasn't trying to shut down opposing viewpoints. I don't care if people have different opinions than I do. Such is life. But as I was reading the thread about a trade it seemed like the discussion was skewing more and more towards Kuzmenko's LGBTQ stance and less and less about the trade, which was the whole point of the thread. It would get on track and then another post about Kuzmenko's stance. Rinse and repeat. I get it, he's part of the trade. But I know I wasn't the only one getting a bit annoyed when we kept stopping talking about the trade and talking more and more about his stance. Like......we get it. It's a great hockey trade, let's talk about it for a few minutes.

I didn't give any infractions. Didn't ban anyone. Didn't close the thread. There's the OT forum, there's this thread, there's multiple places to have that discussion here. Which is fine with me. In fact, it's great. But politics is involved now in so much we read about sports that we can't even just have a fun hockey trade without having to talk about something negative or controversial yet again. It's draining.

It's a Calgary Flames hockey board. Sometimes people here just want to talk about hockey. Especially when a big trade happens. That's all. Hope you get why I was getting annoyed.

Although I planned to log out for a while I read your response and felt I owed you something in return.

If all that is true, which I have no reason to believe it's not, I'm sure you likely regret asking butterfly to "Please. Stop" while claiming "Half of this thread has turned political" when it was just two of us bringing any of this up.

You may also regret, as a mod, thanking this post:

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Seriously.

Where the hell are the mods and what are they doing?

EDIT: After typing this out and feeling so self-assured, this seems like I whooshed on a clear joke. I'll own the stupidity of the following paragraph and the overall sillyness of my accusations.

It is indeed draining. You're a proven good person and I have nothing but the highest respect for you in this community, but this just didn't sit well with me. I hope you get why I consider this a misstep.

This community zaps me every time I engage on this topic. And even though there's so many ways to be encouraged by members far more informed and involved regarding it willing to speak, the general and accepted expression is "shut up and dribble".

The whole of the exchange felt disheartening. I feel that more and more on this site and yeah, that's probably a "me" problem. So taking ownership I'm going to vacate for a bit and see when I want to engage again with this community.

[YourMother]

I can’t wait for the day that someone in the NHL steps up and lets the world know they are gay/bi, etc. It will be a huge step in normalizing things and although that person will be met with some awful stuff online and such from some ignorant pockets, they’ll be a hero for eternity. I assume there’s at least 1-2 players at the very least on every team in the league that identify as something different than “straight”.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by kootenayflamesfan

okay, i guess i better step in here. This comment really took me by surprise.

I wasn't trying to shut down opposing viewpoints. I don't care if people have different opinions than i do. Such is life. But as i was reading the thread about a trade it seemed like the discussion was skewing more and more towards kuzmenko's lgbtq stance and less and less about the trade, which was the whole point of the thread. It would get on track and then another post about kuzmenko's stance. Rinse and repeat. I get it, he's part of the trade. But i know i wasn't the only one getting a bit annoyed when we kept stopping talking about the trade and talking more and more about his stance. Like......we get it. It's a great hockey trade, let's talk about it for a few minutes.

I didn't give any infractions. Didn't ban anyone. Didn't close the thread. There's the ot forum, there's this thread, there's multiple places to have that discussion here. Which is fine with me. In fact, it's great. But politics is involved now in so much we read about sports that we can't even just have a fun hockey trade without having to talk about something negative or controversial yet again. It's draining.

It's a calgary flames hockey board. Sometimes people here just want to talk about hockey. Especially when a big trade happens. That's all. Hope you get why i was getting annoyed.

100%. Good post.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Although I planned to log out for a while I read your response and felt I owed you something in return.

If all that is true, which I have no reason to believe it's not, I'm sure you likely regret asking butterfly to "Please. Stop" while claiming "Half of this thread has turned political" when it was just two of us bringing any of this up.

You may also regret, as a mod, thanking this post:



It is indeed draining. You're a proven good person and I have nothing but the highest respect for you in this community, but this just didn't sit well with me. I hope you get why I consider this a misstep.

This community zaps me every time I engage on this topic. And even though there's so many ways to be encouraged by members far more informed and involved regarding it willing to speak, the general and accepted expression is "shut up and dribble".

The whole of the exchange felt disheartening. I feel that more and more on this site and yeah, that's probably a "me" problem. So taking ownership I'm going to vacate for a bit and see when I want to engage again with this community.

Honestly, if you're seeking good vibes and sustained faith in humanity, I've come to realize CP is more often than not detrimental to those things. You have to pick your spots here and be able to forecast when threads are heading in a direction that's going to just be energy zapping and eject before it does.

I steer away from specific threads that are low-vibe topics of discussion and I've learned to just not read replies from a few specific posters because it's often just spirit-dampening in some way.

It's good to take some personal accountability (which you have control over) in the form of maintaining realistic expectations when coming here and preparing yourself to encounter crap and steering around it. But it seems there's always someone unexpectedly willing to say too much or cross a certain line that didn't need to be and it takes you out of "casually browsing a forum" to "wow, that was a little too real and disheartening to read".

I wish people in general were better to one another, and had the desire to understand, listen and learn more than they do. But this is the mixed up world we live in. We can only paddle onward and try to keep the water out of our hulls as best we can.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Yamer

You may also regret, as a mod, thanking this post:

Appreciate the response. You'd probably be surprised to know I agreed with some of the stuff you and others were saying yesterday, but like I said sometimes there are threads where we just want to talk about hockey on a hockey board and have fun. Politics are everywhere. Sometimes it's ok just to be happy and discuss fun things with strangers.

As for the quoted part, I thanked the post because I assumed they were joking. If not, my sarcasm meter was broken and yes, I should not be thanking it.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Appreciate the response. You'd probably be surprised to know I agreed with some of the stuff you and others were saying yesterday, but like I said sometimes there are threads where we just want to talk about hockey on a hockey board and have fun. Politics are everywhere. Sometimes it's ok just to be happy and discuss fun things with strangers.

As for the quoted part, I thanked the post because I assumed they were joking. If not, my sarcasm meter was broken and yes, I should not be thanking it.

Nope, that was actually my dumb mistake. My brain is completely fried lately.

I'm sorry, KFF. I misread that entirely.

Since this is the second time I'm apologizing to members within the last 24 hours it's maybe best I take a break for reasons more concerning myself than the community.

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by YourMother

I can’t wait for the day that someone in the NHL steps up and lets the world know they are gay/bi, etc. It will be a huge step in normalizing things and although that person will be met with some awful stuff online and such from some ignorant pockets, they’ll be a hero for eternity. I assume there’s at least 1-2 players at the very least on every team in the league that identify as something different than “straight”.

Luke Prokop came out back in 2021. He was under a NHL contract but not in the NHL at the time.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by YourMother

I can’t wait for the day that someone in the NHL steps up and lets the world know they are gay/bi, etc. It will be a huge step in normalizing things and although that person will be met with some awful stuff online and such from some ignorant pockets, they’ll be a hero for eternity. I assume there’s at least 1-2 players at the very least on every team in the league that identify as something different than “straight”.

I hope it's a superstar.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Tuco

Does the new guy sit this one out?

No more jerseys, why would he?