Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Some of you guys who aren't lawyers seem pretty ready to try to get WAY into the weeds and parse the meaning and intent underlying press statements by people who do this for a living. Hell I'm a lawyer and even I don't want to guess how much went into selecting specific words; could be lots to read into, could be nothing, I don't know because I don't do this specific type of law and could only really speak at a high level. This isn't even law as much as practice and unless you do this on a day to day basis I wouldn't try to guess at what X or Y step or statement means by reading between the lines.

Nah, this won’t do.

We know what the Flames knew and why they said what they said. That much is certain beyond any reasonable doubt.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a throat to choke.

[Geeoff]

I am prepared for the NHL to try and regain fan goodwill by raking the Flames over the coals

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Nah, this won’t do.

We know what the Flames knew and why they said what they said. That much is certain beyond any reasonable doubt.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a throat to choke.

Pretty sure he is referring to the statements from the accused.

[jmerkel3d]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I'm just not on the witch hunt chain gang.



Seems pointless to me.



I feel pretty strongly that whoever made the decision internally did what they thought was best at the time in managing all the moving parts (would Dube be charged? is he guilty? how much support does the team show the player? is mental health caused by being charged valid? did they even know he was going to implicated?)



That's a tough day for any department with a lot of things to balance, and none of it applies to a historical play book that they could reference.



At the end of the day 5 hockey players did something bad enough to now be charged. We will see how this shakes out.



The organization at worst had a misstep in how they worded a tough situation.



We live in a society of outrage now, so I'm not surprised, but I see little point in joining it.

Very level headed comment.

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[FlamesAddiction]

The Flames organization is getting roasted for the "mental health" excuse. Whether it should or could have been handled differently, I don't know. If Dube was seeking medical care for mental health and that was the reason he provided in writing, I don't know if that obliges the Flames to communicate that reason to the public.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Flames organization is getting roasted for the "mental health" excuse. Whether it should or could have been handled differently, I don't know. If Dube was seeking medical care for mental health and that was the reason he provided in writing, I don't know if that obliges the Flames to communicate that reason to the public.

Roasted by who?

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Roasted by who?

Internet social justice warriors

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Pretty sure he is referring to the statements from the accused.

Right. I was alluding to the quick to react crowd. Whether statements are coming from the Flames, the accused, hockey Canada or the league it’s pretty different for anyone outside of those directly involved to then make certain statements on what these parties meant to say and how it should be interpreted.

Frankly, what we know is very little.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Internet social justice warriors

I can't imagine opinions I could care less for than those born from faux outrage.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Internet social justice warriors

They are getting roasted by family values folks too wondering why this is even an issue what the players allegedly did. Sometimes you just can’t win.

[jlh2640]

This is all on Dube, not the Flames.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can't imagine opinions I could care less for than those born from faux outrage.

I mean, a lot of them are reputable reporters/writers in the media. I don't think it's all faux outrage.

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[rohara66]

Exactly... the Flames tried to trick us all but we got them! The Flames are trying to cover this up cause Dube is a cornerstone piece of the future plans of the Calgary Flames.

Dube is terrible on the ice... his contract going away HELPS THE FLAMES.

Peace out Dube, have a nice life.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I mean, a lot of them are reputable reporters/writers in the media. I don't think it's all faux outrage.

Doesn't a large % of the media world literally lead the faux outrage charge on a daily basis?

[Infinit47]

Easy way to start righting the ship is for the Flames to announce they are taking steps to terminate his contract. This practice has been established with both Kane and Perry, who were not charged with sexual assault.

And also may the league should change whatever firm they hired for their "investigation" of his matter.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Easy way to start righting the ship is for the Flames to announce they are taking steps to terminate his contract. This practice has been established with both Kane and Perry, who were not charged with sexual assault.

Both Kane and Perry had their contracts terminated for misconduct while they were members of the team. I'm not sure that would count as a precedent to terminate a contract for something that happened years before the contract was signed.

I don't recall any situation in the past similar enough to this one that the NHL could reliably use it as a precedent.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Doesn't a large % of the media world literally lead the faux outrage charge on a daily basis?

Sure, but good media can also lead to strong insights and important discussions. I have a problem blanketing all of this kind of disappointment as faux outrage.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sure, but good media can also lead to strong insights and important discussions. I have a problem blanketing all of this kind of disappointment as faux outrage.

There is very little overlap between ‘good media’ and off-the-cuff emotional Twitter posts.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by MBates

There may be some differences in standard practices in Ontario versus Alberta, but that said there should be no reason any of these individuals would have any travel restrictions imposed on them as a condition of release, nor would they be expected to be on any form of house arrest.

They have all voluntarily attended without incident to subject themselves to the jurisdiction of the court. One even flew from overseas to do so.

I would expect conditions would be minimal such as having no contact with the complainant and not going to her home / work / school.

Is there any consideration given to the notoriety of the case vis-a-vis the perception of the justice system generally?

That would be tough to balance against the rights of the accused but I'd have to think this is at the very highest end of notoriety as a criminal case.

[howard_the_duck]

Even if the leave from Dube was mental health related, I think the flames had to know the circumstances at large and therefore the team announcement just makes them look bad. Easy fix that others have pointed out, but I think the Flames PR/communications team should rightfully take some heat for how it was handled.