Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton found not guilty of sexual assault

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

I don’t understand this comment? They’re nothing alike

Poster is giving credit to Ottawa for not signing the player. I showed the other side where it seems like they would have signed him for the right price so not doing the right thing but salary based.

Unless you’re supporting my post? It’s not clear.

Yeah I was supporting your post...to give the Sens credit for not signing him is pretty silly since they tried to sign him just didn't like the price.

It had nothing to do with this sexual assault. They offered him a contract for crying out loud.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Man I swear most of you have never dealt with lawyers and the astounding things they write.

Quoted for posterity.

[Sec214]

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by habernac

Formenton's name has been out for years, I remember hearing about it. No one else's name was.

His name was out there because he was not signed and because 31 other teams did not want a 6’3 power forward who scored 18 goals in his rookie year. So people thought that was odd and then made a connection. It was not because there was some smoking gun saying that he was involved that people in the random public knew. I suppose it is possible that the Flyers, Devils and Flames (along with the entire NHL) were blown away by these players involvement but that seems unlikely.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

His name was out there because he was not signed and because 31 other teams did not want a 6’3 power forward who scored 18 goals in his rookie year. So people thought that was odd and then made a connection. It was not because there was some smoking gun saying that he was involved that people in the random public knew. I suppose it is possible that the Flyers, Devils and Flames (along with the entire NHL) were blown away by these players involvement but that seems unlikely.

Yeah there was. Think hard about who's hotel room had a pizza party.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Sec214

So this is clearly a riddle since Sec 115 has a leak inside.

The cat will try to catch the mouse but will remain elusive for the time being.
So Dube might have a defence we haven’t thought of??


Hmmmm.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Yeah there was. Think hard about who's hotel room had a pizza party.

So you think hard and tell me if the general public knew whose hotel room it was. Think real hard now.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So you think hard and tell me if the general public knew whose hotel room it was. Think real hard now.

The Ottawa Senators knew

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

The Ottawa Senators knew

And apparently so did 31 other teams who did not want to trade for him. How would they know?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And apparently so did 31 other teams who did not want to trade for him. How would they know?

Gary Batman and pray that was it.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I can't believe how many people don't get this.

The kid (allegedly)made a stupid, stupid mistake and he is now (and should) pay for that mistake. But having that mistake get out to the public would destroy someone mentally if they aren't a psychopath and I doubt Dube is a psychopath, he just (allegedly) effed up royally.

Rape is not a stupid mistake. It's a crime. Full stop. A mistake is something you look back on and realize you should have handled differently. You shouldn't need the benefit of hindsight to know rape is wrong.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Gary Batman and pray that was it.

Maybe. I mean this is a league who had a team suspend a guy without pay for two seasons because he went dogsledding. There are certain issues they take seriously (like dogsledding) and certain issues they turn a blind eye to.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah I was supporting your post...to give the Sens credit for not signing him is pretty silly since they tried to sign him just didn't like the price.

It had nothing to do with this sexual assault. They offered him a contract for crying out loud.

The Sens had four pending RFAs that season. Norris, Brannstrom, Joseph, and Formenton. All were offered QOs and became RFAs, which is pretty normal procedure. The NDA was dropped on July 26th and the 2018 scandal became public knowledge. The Sens agreed to terms with the other three RFAs by training camp, and Formenton signed in Switzerland with no further attempts to sign him.

The timeline still supports the notion the the Sens learned something about Formenton and broke off talks.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Hot tip: take a look at MBates post history.

Fabulous. You should be happy that he rarely encounters such incompetence.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Rape is not a stupid mistake. It's a crime. Full stop. A mistake is something you look back on and realize you should have handled differently. You shouldn't need the benefit of hindsight to know rape is wrong.

I agree, but so far we all only heard one version of the events. The victim's version. If they're guilty, they should be punished to the full extent of the law.

It does sound like they're guilty, but I'm trying not to jump to conclusions, because of stuff I read on the internet. I find it surprising that there potentially were more people there that didn't sexually assault the victim, they will/might be used as witnesses.

I just regret that the whole case took 6 years to finally get to court, and criminal charges. I don't have any sympathy to any person that commits sexual assault or rape.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by getbak

At least 7 players made similar "no wrongdoing" statements as Dube. Hart and Dube were the only ones charged.

Foote was one of the players who outright denied any involvement.

McLeod issued the weakest statement, claiming he fully co-operated with the investigation, but didn't deny involvement.

I don't believe Formenton ever issued a statement before leaving for Europe.



Other players issued a variety of statements, some stronger than others.

The TSN summary article is a bit confusing as it lists a long group of players together, and then breaks out personal statements from them. Most of the guys grouped with Dube and Hart made personal statements denying involvement after that.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Yeah there was. Think hard about who's hotel room had a pizza party.

You've made a few cryptic posts about a pizza party in this thread. Say it or don't.

How in the Holy Hell would I know who's hotel room had a pizza party?

[RedHawk12]

All I've gotten from this is that sec214 really likes pizza.

[OILFAN #81]

Hopefully this does something for the 2003 case as well. Unbelievable that one has been ongoing now for 20 years. Ridiculous.

[Enoch Root]

I think the Formenton issue is pretty straight-forward (assuming that he was in fact the ringleader).

• When this originally came out, it is entirely possible that the victim knew one name (but not the rest), as she would have met that person at the bar (or wherever), prior to the events unfolding.
• The events would have taken place in one hotel room (that of the ringleader) - and the victim may have known the room number, as she was in fact invited there.
• Even if the victim didn't state the room number, it could well have been reported somewhere (even by an outsider, such as a pizza delivery man) - and then easy enough for someone to dig up who's room it was.

There are a myriad of possible reasons why one name could have been reported (or at least mentioned) during the early proceedings, and the first time this all came out. So it is entirely possible, maybe even probable, that Ottawa knew specifically that Formenton was directly involved (without any other names being released or directly discussed).