Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Infinit47]

I fully believe they had no clue about pending charges. Dube was the first player to leave his team and so it's is believable they didn't know.

But now they do know, and their weak statement disappoints me as a fan of the team. I expected better if them.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Probably not.

After all the dust settles Hart has the best chance out of the 5 of playing again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

They could of made the same non-controversial statement every other team made.

AFTER

Flames player was the first...even the tone of our threads changed after multiple players from the team left

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

After all the dust settles Hart has the best chance out of the 5 of playing again.

Probably, but the others are inconsequential enough that I think they are done. No one offered Formenton a contract even before things came to a head and he had a lot of upside at the time. Players like Dube, McLeod, and Foote are just not worth the baggage this will carry.

Short of an acquittal and some hard evidence that the acts were indeed consensual, I think Hart is done as well. But you never know in this league.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by traptor

They could of made the same non-controversial statement every other team made.

Exactly, so why would they open themselves to all the public outrage, if they knew everyone would be finding the truth in a few days?

I think they found out a day after, when they took Dube off the roster page on their website. Why didn't they publish the statement immediately? Well I'm guessing that was because the London police didn't publish the names yet, and the Flames didn't want to jump the gun on casting accusations.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You’ve got a soul.

It’s one muthfataing dumb soul.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

AFTER

Flames player was the first...even the tone of our threads changed after multiple players from the team left

That's my point though.

Maybe they had no idea of Dubes involvement, maybe they thought he was having mental health issues for who knows whatever reason.


It still shows a massive amount of incompetence that they had no idea of the involvement of one of theirs players in one of the most high profile primal investigations in the history of the sport.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

'Dillon is under the care of health professionals..........'

That's the part of the original statement that stands out to me. If that is indeed true, I don't see what is wrong with the statement.

If it is not true........then yeah, this is a huge problem.

Again, I'm open to any evidence either way. If the Flames are lying I'd really like to know. If they're not, maybe they could have left that part out, but I don't know why they had to if it's true.

It's just a really weird thing to say. There are 2 main implications of being 'under the care of health professionals'

1. A serious incident/admission to a medical facility

or

2. Participating in therapy/counselling. Which could mean like 1 hour a week or even less.

#2 is kinda presumed in any leave for mental health...it's just kinda weird and redundant. "While on leave, Dubé will continue to consume solid and liquid food. We have no further comment at this time."

#1...well most people don't want to expose these details immediately, if ever. Dubé's lawyers' statement now requests respect for his privacy...while that's not necessarily a contradiction, it's certainly not consistent.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If the team knew he would be charged what could they do? Suspend him without evidence ?

What if they denied his mental health request ? How would that look? What if they didn’t even mention mental health if that’s what he cited ? Could the player come back at them?

Dillion Dube is an idiot and put the team in the a terrible spot.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by fotze2

It’s one muthfataing dumb soul.

Smart enough to not be fooled by Dillon Dube.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I hate reading this thread now. 90% of the posts are lamenting about the exact wording of a PR statement or debating the merits of mental health (of the accused perpetrator I might add). Very little time is spent discussing the actual acts that occurred and what we can do about them. Not sure how a few well placed words can improve sexual assault numbers, but perhaps I underestimate the power of words.

No, sorry, I understand the power of words quite well, but actions matter a lot ####ing more to me. Whatever the Flames did or didn't know at the time of the statement is totally irrelevant. All that matters now is how they proceed in handling Dube now that these charges have been made public. I expect them to handle this like they handled Peters. Swiftly, and hopefully, with a strong sense of morality. I would expect nothing less from Conroy and his team.

I don't think we will ever see Dillon Dube in a Flames uniform ever again. If that happens, then you can rip the organization a new one, but I suspect you'll not have that opportunity.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by MBates

I mean maybe its not that important...I was just surprised to see outright declaring the allegation to be false in an initial statement like this. And as far as I am aware none of the others have also done so.

Man I swear most of you have never dealt with lawyers and the astounding things they write.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If the team knew he would be charged what could they do? Suspend him without evidence ?

What if they denied his mental health request ? How would that look? What if they didn’t even mention mental health if that’s what he cited ? Could the player come back at them?

Dillion Dube is an idiot and put the team in the a terrible spot.

This thread is beyond crazy when Paulie is the voice of reason.

[fotze2]

Go easy there buds. Go have a creamy pint.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because some have implied that the timing of dube needing mental help was convenient instead of legitimate

Accused rapists, murderers or other violent criminals wanting mental help because they realize they are not going to get away with it. I’m really struggling to understand why anyone wants to draw attention to this part of the story. This is why people don’t like the Flames statement.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

They could of made the same non-controversial statement every other team made.

There was nothing controversial about it. That was the reason given, that is what they released.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There was nothing controversial about it. That was the reason given, that is what they released.

You may not think so and that's fair, but there are lots that do. That's why I say it's a PR blunder.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

You may not think so and that's fair, but there are lots that do. That's why I say it's a PR blunder.

That's today's society though, people making a mountain out of a mole hill. Your average Joe Blow wants to make it a big deal and throw the team under the bus that's fine but I expect better from the dedicated fan base here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by traptor

It still shows a massive amount of incompetence that they had no idea of the involvement of one of theirs players in one of the most high profile primal investigations in the history of the sport.

This is the part I struggle with. Everyone saw the statement from the players or their lawyers, and I am sure the Flames management saw them too. Anything but a resounding denial being involved was a warning sign. It was pretty noticeable that Dube's statement, along with the others who are charged, left a lot to be desired. Everyone was hoping beyond hope that he wasn't involved, as I am sure the Flames brass was as well. But this outcome isn't a shock either.

Like I mentioned earlier, I don't know if a contract can be terminated just for suspicion though. Maybe it explains why Dube got buried on the 4th line for most of the season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I have explained this, but I appreciate that there are hundreds of posts to wade through.
This is the type of situation that leads to mental breakdown, crisis and risks of suicide. When someone has been hiding something, or worried about something for a long time and it finally comes out, it can be shattering.

To be clear, since others have misunderstood this - I'm not asking people to sympathize with Dube for that. I'm just staying that it is entirely reasonable that he suffered a major mental health event when he found it he was being told to report to be charged with these crimes.

I can't believe how many people don't get this.

The kid (allegedly)made a stupid, stupid mistake and he is now (and should) pay for that mistake. But having that mistake get out to the public would destroy someone mentally if they aren't a psychopath and I doubt Dube is a psychopath, he just (allegedly) effed up royally.